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Do your recall who was the FIRST artist who "grabbed" you and got you going
on drawing? Perhaps when you were a child?
JB: Your question has a much more literal answer than you might have guessed when you posed it. There have been many influences in my artistic career, but the one who I will always credit as having jumpstarted the whole thing was my paternal grandfather, Frederick Aurthur Byrne, who, when I was a baby, would hold me on his lap, hold a piece of chalk in my right hand, and draw on a small slate. I still have the slate, recovered from my grandmother's house when she died. On it is a choo-choo train which she preserved and which, given the damp English climate, has eaten into the board to the point that it cannot be erased. The oldest existing John Byrne original, vintage 1952!!
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JB: I have decided to take a sabbatical from the monthly grind, clean the pipes, and concentrate for a while on the commission pieces. (08/21/2006)
In addition to the commissions, JB will return to his creator-owned NEXT MEN in December 2010. Published by IDW, this new storyline takes place immediately following the events of the original series in 1995.
JB is also writing and drawing Star Trek miniseries for IDW, including STAR TREK: CREW and STAR TREK: LEONARD MCCOY, FRONTIER DOCTOR. In the recent past, JB has written and drawn other Star Trek miniseries such as ASSIGNMENT: EARTH, ROMULANS: SCHISM, and ROMULANS: THE HOLLOW CROWN.
JB has also announced upcoming projects involving the Buffyverse's Angel, following his recent work on ANGEL: BLOOD & TRENCHES and ANGEL VS. FRANKENSTEIN.
An announced JB project called CITIZEN ZERO has not yet been scheduled.
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John Byrne has worked continuously in comics since 1975, following his
first professional sale in late summer of 1974. Beginning humbly enough,
with the likes of WHEELIE AND THE CHOPPER BUNCH and DOOMSDAY + 1 (for
Charlton Comics), and IRON FIST and THE CHAMPIONS for Marvel, he eventually
moved on to Marvel's number one cult book, X-MEN (not yet Uncanny) in
1977.
It was his work on X-MEN which truly ignited John's star, and from
there he moved to CAPTAIN AMERICA, THE AVENGERS, and a five year
run on
Marvel's flagship title, FANTASTIC FOUR. Seeking new heights to
conquer, in 1986 John accepted the daunting assignment of revamping the
oldest
and most famous of all superheroes,
Superman. Beginning with the hugely successful MAN OF STEEL miniseries,
John brought SUPERMAN back into the attention of the fans, and that success
continues today. In 1990, John decided to venture into the unpredictable
waters of creator owned works, launching NEXT MEN in 1991. Following
that
success he brought out DANGER UNLIMITED, followed by BABE in 1995.
Since then, he has written and drawn such titles as WONDER WOMAN, X-MEN:
THE HIDDEN YEARS, LAB RATS, DOOM PATROL, and BLOOD OF THE DEMON. In 2005, he returned to Superman performing art duties for ACTION COMICS.
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I have read that JB was asked to do the original 80s CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS miniseries. Is this true?
Some time in the early 1980s -- I can't pinpoint the exact date, but I do recall that I was attending a convention in Atlanta -- DC's then-EiC Dick Giordano approached me about writing and drawing something that had the working title "The History of the DC Universe". This was proposed as a 12 issue "maxi-series" which would use the first 11 issues to lay out all the established DC lore, doing the best that could be done to shuffle all the conflicting details into some kind of cohesive whole, Then, in the 12th issue, everything would "blow up" due to some terrible cosmic catastrophe, and the next month all the DC books would "restart" with first issues.
As it happened, I was having dinner with Dick, Frank Miller and Frank's then-girlfriend Laurie Sutton, when Dick made the offer, and Frank was quick to say I would have to be crazy to accept such a project. I agreed -- but in any case, acceptance was unlikely since, as I told Dick, my knowledge of the history of the DCU was not as extensive as of the Marvel Universe. There were, in fact, huge tracts of DC lore (such as the Legion of Superheroes) about which I knew almost nothing.
So I passed on the project, and over the next couple of years it floated around, mutating as it went, until it became CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS. (12/28/2004)
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I've heard you say more than once that you disliked your ALPHA FLIGHT run. Was it the art or the writing that you thought fell down?
JB: Alpha Flight (the team) were never really meant to be anything more than a bunch of superheroes who could survive a fight with the X-Men. They had no real depth, and I resisted suggestions that they get their own book for a couple of years. Then, finally, realizing Marvel would probably get someone else to do it, if I didn't, I relented and agreed. (Sidebar: ALPHA FLIGHT #1 was the biggest selling comic of its day -- 500,000 copies!!)
Down through the years, a number of Gay fans have approached me to say "thanks" for ALPHA FLIGHT and NorthStar, so I suppose it justifies its existence in that way -- but as a whole, except for a couple of bright moments, the book just never gelled for me, art- or story-wise. (4/4/98)
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JB: Too many fans today consider themselves far too hip and a-go-go to ever go along with the most basic conceit of serial fiction: that the main characters will survive, but we will pretend, for the sake of this story, that that is not a given.
When I was a lad, I worried every time Superman fell into a kryptonite death trap. Usually I only had to wait four or five pages to find out that he was going to be okay, but it never occurred to me to shrug and flip to the next story to see if he survived. Only when reading SUPERBOY was I ever aware that there was no "tension", since we knew Superboy would become Superman. (I refer to this as "Superboy Syndrome", and caution writers to be very careful about it when doing flashbacks or, more significantly, flash forwards.)
If you reach a point at which you "know" no real harm can ever befall the main characters, and you are unable to simply accept that (without commenting that there is "no real tension") then you have crossed an important line, and there is no point in you continuing to follow this kind of fiction. Accept it for what it is, or move on -- but don't find fault with the ocean because it is too wet. (5/10/2004)
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If I asked for a commissioned piece by JB that was a version of a classic X-Men cover, and paid JB for said work, Does this break copyright?
JB: Freelancers doing drawings for the fans, and getting paid for them, is a convention of the industry almost as old as the industry itself. Traditionally, it has been considered free advertising, and "fair use". Mostly, for the Companies to try to shut it down would simply be too much trouble. Can you imagine trying to maintain a watchful eye on every convention, in every state, every country? The mind boggles.
When the problem rises is in reproduction. A few years back Marvel shut me down when I printed up a few hundred copies of a Fantastic Four miniposter that I intended to sell at a convention, donating the proceeds (proceeds, not profits) to Breast Cancer Research. If you were to order up a recreation of a favorite cover, that would not be a problem. If, however, you (or I, or anyone) sold prints of that recreation, then copyright would be infringed.
It's my understanding that this is essentially what happened to Carl Barks. Disney was prepared to look the other way when he was doing duck paintings for paying customers. They clamped down when he started selling prints. (9/9/2006)
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Comment: I'm glad that readers will be able to jump on board with issue #31 without first having to read anything else. However, I really hope that those who haven't read the first 31 issues of JBNM (and/or 2112) will be "triggered" by the new stuff, and become inspired to pick up the collections at some point. I want as many people as possible to experience those incredible Next Men stories!
John Byrne: That would be ideal, of course!
As I mentioned in another thread, the other day, one of the most destructive phrases that as worked its way into comic reading is "What's a good jumping on point?" Whole "generations" of potential readers have been scared away by the idea that there is no way to simply START READING, as I did lo these many years ago. And it certainly has not helped that far too many writers now THINK in terms of "jumping on points" -- not in the sense that EVERY issue should be one, but that by throwing out a "jumping on point" every once in a while, they are free to ramble on with their lazy, undisciplined, "decompressed" stories.
These guys should be tossed into a time machine and sent back to 1956, where they would be forced to write "jumping on point" stories THREE TIMES PER ISSUE!!! Gun to their heads, I'll bet most of these wankers could not write an eight page, done in one story.
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JB: Adding unnecessary
details which complicate a character's backstory.
This comes, of course, from the bottled city of
Kandor, which used to reside in Superman's
Fortress of Solitude, making it necessary, every time
Superman visited the Fortress, to spend a coupe of
panels explaining what Kandor was. Finally, a story
was done in which Superman succeeded in
restoring Kandor to its normal size, and also placing
it on an alien world that "phased" out of our reality,
Brigadoon-like, for 100 years at a time. Problem
solved -- until another story was done in which it was
decided that Superman "missed" having Kandor in
its special place in the Fortress, so he created a
perfect scale model of it, which had to be explained
every time he went to the Fortress. And then, another
story was done in which an alien race who were
naturally that small moved into the model, so every
time. . . . etc, etc. (11/02/04)
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JB: Several members of what became Alpha Flight date back to my fan days. Guardian is chief among them, being created when I was in my early 20s as the figurehead of a whole line of "Canadian comics" I was hoping to produce. Snowbird, in very different form, was born around the same time. Shaman, originally called Chinook (he had only weather-controlling powers) came next. (There was also a character called Phoenix. No chance he would ever have made it into Alpha Flight!)
When I was assigned the gig of penciling UNCANNY X-MEN, Chris Claremont mentioned that Dave Cockrum had an idea that the Canadian government probably would not be too thrilled to see their multi-million dollar investment -- Wolverine -- head south as had so many other Canadian resources. Surely, he suggested, Ottawa would send somebody, perhaps even a team, to get him back. This sounded like a great idea, to me, and, of course, I had just the characters to do it. We decided to start with just one, tho, the leader of the group. Since Marvel at that time was publishing GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY the Powers that Were nixed the name Guardian, and since my backup, the Canadian Shield, was equally
problematic in the Marvel Universe, he was without a name for a while. Chris took to calling him "Major Mapleleaf", and Roger Stern said we'd better come up with a name before that one stuck. Chris then tacked on "Vindicator", which absolutely did not work for me. What does Canada need to "vindicate"? I began pushing for the restoration of Guardian, and eventually pushed that thru.
Before that happened, tho, we had our "sequel" to do, with that group of Canadians coming down to reclaim Wolverine. I dropped in the renamed (and power enhanced) Shaman and a redesigned Snowbird, and came up with Northstar and Aurora (super speed to counter Nightcrawler's teleportation), and Sasquatch (to balance Colossus) and off we went. In the process I came up with real names and some backstory for each.
But in my mind, Alpha Flight existed only as a team assembled to fight the X-Men. When Marvel asked for an Alpha series, I resisted for a long time. I just didn't see much that could be done with them. (7/16/2008)
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How did "The Last Galactus Story" end?
JB: At the virtual End of the Universe, Galactus is confronted by a Watcher. This Watcher turns out to be the same one who witnessed the "birth" of Galactus in our universe. The Watcher (not Uatu) was eventually driven mad by the accumulated guilt he feels for the acts of Galactus. He has been trying to move galaxies to somewhere Galactus cannot find them, but has been destroying them in the process. Galactus and the Watcher battle -- a huge cosmic confrontation that stretches over centuries, as the universe falls into near total entropy. Finally, to defeat the Watcher, Galactus sucks all the remaining energy out of the Universe. Nothing is left but Galactus and his loyal herald, Nova. Realizing at last what his purpose is, Galactus cracks the seal on his suit, starts to remove his helmet, and in that instant all the energy he has absorbed explodes out of him. He becomes the "big bang" of the next universe, and when the smoke clears, we see Nova has been reborn, as that universe's Galactus.
Incidentally, back when I was first approached about Marvel's "The End" project, I was asked to think about "last issues" for the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. One of the things that occured to me was using this as a way to finally finish the Last Galactus Story. Goes like this:
One day, out of a clear blue sky, literally, Nova falls into the heart of Manahattan. The FF go to investigate. They find her, and after a bit of trouble deciphering what she is saying they realize she has come from billions of years in the future.
Reed's "universal translator" was having problems with her speech because she was speaking English, but English distorted by billions of years.
Anyway, she finally tells them what's going on with Galactus and the rogue Watcher, and the FF race off to use their captured version of Doctor Doom's time machine to speed to the future and try to help Galactus. (Reed, you see, being Reed, has already figured out what Galactus' purpose is in the scheme of things.)
Uh oh! Using Doom's time machine alerts the good Doctor to what they are up to, and he goes after them. Pretty quickly he figures out what is going on, and realizes this is a perfect opportunity to steal the power of Galactus for himself. The universe may die in the meanwhile? What cares he?
So, of course, the FF end up battling Doom, who is doing all kinds of things to try to get Galactus' power, while Galactus is busy himself dealing with the rogue Watcher. Finally the good guys -- which includes Galactus in this case -- win, But Ben and Nova both die heroically in the process. Galactus wonders what it was all about, what it was all for. Reed tells him. Galactus understands. The FF (what's left of them) start to head back to their time machine with Doom as their prisoner. Galactus calls after them. "Leave him!" Moment of tension, but Reed agrees. The FF return to the present, and just as they wink out they see Galactus open the seals on his armor and begin to release all his stored energy.
The three are back on Earth, in the present. They mourn Ben, but they resolve to continue to fight the good fight, in his honor. The Fantastic Four are no more, but the Three shall fight on! Sue wonders what Galactus wanted Doom for.
Cut to somewhere, somewhen else. Energies roil. A Universe is aborning, and at its heart we see a great cosmic "egg" akin to the one that once gave birth to Galactus. It opens, and Galactus rises from its midst -- but when he turns to us, we see he now has the face/mask of Doctor Doom. Like a certain other human we all know, Doom is about to learn that "with great power must come great responsibility'. (2/15/2005)
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Was writing a novel a life-long goal, or an outgrowth of doing comicbook writing? Did you just decide at some point after being established that a novel would be an interesting thing to try?
JB: I started out to be a novelist, really. I could always draw, to one degree or another, and I used my drawings often as not to tell little stories (usually for my own amusement only), but to tell the kinds of stories I found myself wanting to tell, the novel form seemed more efficient, somehow, than the words-and-pictures form. But, somewhere along the way, I found myself gravitating towards comics SOLELY as an artist -- then, only after several years did I start full time writing as well. Eventually, that led me back to the novel writing -- and finally to publication.
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I had always thought Venom was one of the better spider-villains -- something I credit more to David Michelinie in spite of the fact that McFarlane got most of the credit.
JB: I've told this story before, but it's worth repeating for illustration purposes: Todd McFarlane likes to say he "created" Venom -- usually forgetting David Michelinie. When I hear this, I usually respond by saying "No! I created Venom!" And it goes like this: Iron Fist used to be getting his costume torn up all the time. By the next issue, it was usually repaired again. I didn't much like the notion of Danny Rand sitting in a corner with a needle and thread, so, extrapolating from Chris's (then) idea that K'Un L'Un was actually a crashed spaceship that used its warp drive to phase between dimensions (Chris being in a sci-fi mode that week), I suggested that the outfit was made of some kind of biological material that "healed" instead of having to be patched. We never got around to using that in IRON FIST, and years later, after Spider-Man got his alien costume in SECRET WARS, Roger Stern asked if he could use the notion, and added the idea that the suit was some kind of symbiote. Tom DeFalco (if memory serves) took this a few steps further, until David and the Toddler added a big, ugly mouth and gave it a name, Venom.
So, who "created" Venom?
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Was it your intent when you created NorthStar that he would be a gay man?
JB: When I created Alpha Flight they were basically half a dozen characters who could survive a prolonged battle with the X-Men. They had very little depth -- tho I am a compulsive creator of backstory, so I knew something about their histories even then -- and were not really created with any thought toward them eventually getting their own title.
Unfortunately (?) they proved enormously popular, and so Marvel began pushing me to do an ALPHA FLIGHT book. Eventually I relented, and agreed to do the series -- which meant I had one problem instantly: I had to find ways to make those characters more three dimensional.
One of the things that popped immediately into my head was to make one of them Gay. I had recently read an article in SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN on what was then (the early 80s) fairly radical new thinking on just what processes caused a person to be homosexual, and the evidence was pointing increasingly to it being genetic and not environmental factors. So, I thought, it seemed like it was time for a Gay superhero, and since I was being "forced" to make ALPHA FLIGHT a real series, I might as well make one of them Gay.
From there, it was a process of elimination. I didn't want the homosexual character to be one of the girls, since that was something people tended to associate (rightly or wrongly) with Claremont books. Mac Hudson and Heather were happily married and I did not want to mess with that. Michael was widowed with a daughter, and that way lay what I considered too much of a cliche, if he turned out to be Gay. Besides, as a Native Canadian he was already the resident "minority". The new guy, Puck, had his own set of problems. Sasquatach would be just too damn scary!! So I settled on Jean-Paul, and
the moment I did I realized it was already there. Somewhere in the back of my mind I must have been considering making him Gay before I "decided" to so so.
Of course, the temper of the times, the Powers That Were and, naturally, the Comics Code would not let me come right out and state that Jean-Paul was homosexual, but I managed to "get the word out" even with those barriers. (8/24/2004)
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JB: The X-Books have been responsible for more muddying of the basic concept of what makes a
mutant than you would think possible --especially since the definition (as seen in the MU) started in those books!
Mutants are, as noted, entities born with "powers" that their parents do not possess. This does not necessarily mean their parents must be mere mortals -- Namor and Franklin Richards come to mind -- but it usually makes for cleaner storytelling if they are.
I recall a letter I got while I was doing the FF, around the time I was starting to grumble about Chris trying to turn everybody into a "mutant" -- he was convinced Reed's intelligence made him a mutant! -- in which
the writer said he loved the FF, they were his favorite mutants. sigh
Once upon a time, there were three settings:
Human -- no powers at all. (J. Jonah Jameson, Aunt May, Willie Lumpkin)
Non-Mutant Variant -- a term that also originated in X-MEN and described the likes of Spider-Man or Captain America, the Inhumans or Luke Cage. In UNCANNY it described Sauron.
Mutant -- powers different from either parent Namor. Franklin. Cyclops. Beast. Storm. Etc.
Implied was a fourth level -- those who had the same powers as one of their parents (Wolverine, when Sabretooth was his daddy), and so qualified as the first of a new species. (1/20/2005)
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What's the story behind the unused Avengers West Coast cover with Kang?
JB: I'm going to break my own Number One Rule and tell a story that did not see print.
All this came out of the Immortus/Scarlet Witch debacle, of course. With the "realism" in Marvel at the time -- you know, like talking dragons being "telepathic", because that was more "realistic" -- it had become impossible to accept that Wanda's hex power could be something as prosaic as merely causing people to have "bad luck". So it had been decided that what she actually did was alter probabilities . Thus, if the probability of a badguy's gun jamming was 1000 to 1, she could make it 1 to 1, and the gun would jam. Bad luck for him!
When I came to do AVENGERS WEST COAST this was the accepted way of portraying Wanda's power -- but the more I thought about it, the more I realized this was really an incredible complication of something that had once been so simple. I mean, think about it! For Wanda to alter probabilities she would have to be reaching back thru the whole temporal chain of events that led to a single moment. She would have to be altering time -- retroactively!
Well, that sure seemed like something that could catch the eye of Immortus, eventually, and as I wrote the story, it did. Immortus, who had been seen pinching off alternate realities as part of a set up to this story, was engaged in a program of whittling the multiverse down to a single time-line. One which he would control.
Discovering Wanda's power, he was going to kidnap her and use her to further his plans. And the first thing he was going to do was alter probabilities so that when the Avengers battled Kang the first time, Kang won!
My story would reveal this in flashback, however, as we would open in the world long after this had happened. Pretty grim place, where most of the familiar heroes had been killed off or never become super powered in the first place. No FF, since they never took that rocket ride. No Hulk, since Rick Jone has never driven his car onto the Gamma Bomb test site. (One of the main characters was going to be Peter Parker, who had not become Spider-Man because of Immortus' manipulations.)
As the story progressed, we would learn slowly what had happened -- and also learn that we were not seeing "present day" Marvel, but rather a time a "few months" (Marvel Time) ago. The date would be just prior to when Thor, in order to save a wounded Black Knight, had used his hammer to open a portal in time and space and stuck the Knight into it. We would learn this when the Black Knight basically fell out of the air into the post-Kang's victory world. In that timeline, Thor had not placed him in the "time stasis", so when the changed world "caught up" to that moment, out popped the Black Knight. The multiverses intersected at that point, you see.
Well, the Black Knight pretty quickly figures out what's going on, learns there is an underground (of course!) and helps the folk of the twisted version hunt down and stop Immortus, freeing Wanda (herself another link to the multiverse, by virtue of how Immortus has been manipulating her power) and setting everything right.
When all is restored, the Black Knight of course is back in that "hole in time", and Wanda is the only one who remembers how things were. A memory that fades, like a dream, very quickly. . . .
LOOK FOR THIS TITANIC TALE IN A NuMARVEL BOOK APPEARING SOON !!
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JB: As I have often noted, the one thing that most clearly defines DC is the "de-uniquing" of their characters.
I don't mean creating franchises. Superman and Batman, for instance, have always had multiple titles, at least from the point at which they got their own books. What I am referring to is the multiple iterations of characters with the same powers and abilities -- So for Superman we see Superboy, Supergirl, Krypto, Comet, Streaky, and all the inhabitants of Kandor. Batman gives us Batwoman, two Batgirls, Bat-Mite, Ace the Bat-Hound and several future Batman. Many of the characters had kid versions, as with Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl, etc. And, of course, Green Lantern was the least unique character ever, with literally thousands of beings who could do exactly what he did.
Even when we were presented with a character who was effectively a "one of", like J'Onn J'Onzz, we had to have a whole race of beings to whom his abilities were just standard issue, like having brown eyes. As a kid, I enjoyed all the multiples of multiples, but as I got older, and especially after I got into the business, I got to really wishing there was some way every DC character could (much like their Marvel equivalents) be the only ones. Not surprising, is it, that once a generation of writers and artists raised on Silver Age DC started working at Marvel, we started seeing multiples of the characters -- multiple Captain Americas, for instance, or "parallel universe" versions of the FF. (5/09/04)
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Question: Will you be continuing the original issue numbering?
John Byrne: That's the plan. Altho it needs a little something extra to allow new readers to jump right in, this will, for you Old Timers. be nothing more or less than the Next Issue.
(Tho I am probably not going to use the cover I drew originally for 31. The storyline has mutated a bit!)
EDITOR'S NOTE: The image to the right was intended to be the cover to issue #31, but ultimately got used as the cover to the french Omnibus collection. Thanks, Lars.
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JB: When I was a kid, reading superhero comics, I was absolutely in awe of the characters. To call Superman "Supes" or Batman "Bats" would never have occured to me. It would be on a par with calling the President of the United States "Tricky Dick" or "Slick Willy" -- names, you will recall, that were not applied with even a modicum of respect.
Thing is, I was not alone in this. None of my comic-reading friends called the characters by anything other than their names, unless it was a
pre-existing nickname like "Cap" for Captain America, "Cap" being common armed forces parlance and long established -- and not pejorative in any way.
When I got into the business, I soon discovered that many writers used nicknames in their plots
simply to save the typing fingers. WW or "Wondy" is quicker to type than "Wonder Woman", for instance. Likewise the wince-enducing "Bats" and "Supes". Stan, of course, would occasionally refer to Spider-Man as "Spidey" in the printed books -- and it seemed that it was from this that the affectation really took its hold on fandom. (Stan also once -- and only once -- refered to superheroes as "long underwear characters", but as with so many things, Stan was able to get away with stuff that didn't work
when others did it.)
Slowly, the nicknames began seeping into the
stories themselves -- often not making much sense. I think it was Don Thompson, in CBG, who once pointed out that writers had taken to having her fellow Justice League members call Wonder Woman "WW" -- something which Don pointed out made perfect sense to a writer trying to save a few keystrokes, but none whatsoever when spoken aloud. Won-der Wo-man has fewer syllables than Dou-ble-You Dou-ble-You, and would be "quicker" to say aloud. (He noted he could not quite "hear" Superman or Batman saying "Dub-yuh Dub-yuh", and I agree!)
As with all such things, it comes down to respect for the characters -- and when I hear "Supes" and "Bats" and "Mags" and "Wondy" and all the rest, I cannot help but think that the speaker is surrendering, if only just a little, to the contemptuous attitude civilians
have toward these characters. By calling Batman
"Bats" the speaker is signaling to the listener that s/he does not really take these characters and stories seriously, so should not be viewed as one of those geeky fanboys or girls. (9/21/2004)
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JB: Let's do a little math. Dick Grayson, in the time we had known him, up to the point at which I introduced Cassie in WONDER WOMAN, had aged from about 10 to about 26, according to what I was told at the time by Those in the Know at DC. Cassie was then 15. This version looks about 25, but since she is in the Teen Titans let's say 19. So that's 4 more years, meaning Dick would now be 30, and would have aged 20 years since he appeared as Robin in 1940. Curiously, Dick is the same age as Wally West, who appeared as a 10 year old around 1958, some 18 years after Dick first appeared. Wally would be 30 now, too. So would Donna Troy. So would Aqualad. So would Speedy. (God knows what this does to the original Hawk and Dove, who had already been seen to have aged faster than the Titans who had been, at one time, their contemporaries.)
So. . . Batman and Superman, who were approximate contemporaries when Dick first became Robin are now 20 years older than they were then -- or pushing 50 in both cases. Ditto for Lois Lane. Jimmy Olsen must be close to 40. And how old is Impulse, these days?
Anyone still think aging the characters is a good idea? (04/28/2005)
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In retrospect, do you think the whole "universe" idea that arose with Marvel in the 1960s to have been a mistake, or at least something that ought to be done away with now? Continuity -- in the sense that we talk about it now -- only became an issue after the idea of a cohesive universe of super-people was established.
JB: It's okay to have a shared reality -- when I was a kid I thought it was really neat that Hal Jordan and Barry Allen were pals in their "civilian" lives -- provided it is
not carried to extremes. And by extremes, I mean those "fans" who seem somehow to assume that everyone is working from the same game plan so, for instance, Princess Lilandra would never turn up in Reed and Sue Richards' bedroom to make trouble unless it had been carefully planned out by all involved. Such a scene would not be slipped under the table, without the FF office knowing anything about it -- and with the approval of the EiC!
But, as we know, this is not the case, so often
characters turn up doing things they should not or would not do, as if there was no "continuity"
between the books -- because there isn't!
A mammoth work like a fictional "universe" rarely works even if there is only a single creator involved -- Tolkien never did pound all the dents out of "The Lord of the Rings" -- and when it's serial fiction, with different writers, artists and editors, over decades. . . Well, suffice to say it all works as long as everyone accepts that it doesn't really work at all. (9/8/2004)
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JB: I gave Bill no tips nor insights on ALPHA -- because he said he didn't want any! He told me he had got himself a complete set of the series, and sat down and literally torn them apart, pasting pages and panels into a notebook so he would have a handy reference for each of the characters and subplots I'd developed.
Of course, he then went on to do the "origin" of Puck, with the whole "demon inside" thing being based, apparently, on the single reference Puck had made to being in constant pain, something which Bill failed to grasp was an effect of the condition -- achondroplasty, called by name in the same issue that referenced the pain -- which caused Puck's dwarfism. (This was a manifestation of something I used to call "Claremont-itis", before it came to infect almost everybody -- that manner of backstorying characters in such a way that absolutely no one, nowhere, is ever "normal".) (1/31/2005)
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In response to the revelation of an outline of planned storylines for UNCANNY X-MEN through issue #150:
JB: Something that jumps out at me is the "death of Mariko" referece. That was going to be a hugely powerful story. In fact, when this list was made, with the death of Phoenix not even in the cards yet, it was probably the most powerful story we had planned.
I'm going to break one of my own rules here, since I have, at one time or another, discussed most of the details of Mariko's death as I had worked it out. So here it is all together, for those who haven't seen it before (and even those who have):
Sabretooth attacks Mariko as a way of getting to Wolverine. He brutalizes her beyond imagining. (Nothing sexual. This is sheer animal violence.) He leaves her for dead, torn and bleeding in a alley.
But she isn't dead, and the X-Men, tracking Sabretooth, find her. They race her to a hospital, and over the next several issues she lies in a coma, on life support. Other things occupy the X-Men's time for a while, but their thoughts keep coming back to Mariko. Wolverine returns to her bedside as often as he can. Her condition remains unchanged.
Finally, he can take it no longer. He begs Jean and Xavier to do something, to save her. Xavier scans her and makes a sad discovery. She is brain dead. Only the machines are keeping her alive.
Wolverine refuses to believe it. But Jean links his mind to Mariko, and he feels the emptiness where her soul used to be. He asks to be left alone with her.
Xavier and Jean depart, to wait outside. Wolverine sits by Mariko's beside, holding her hand, stroking her hair. He rises. He looks at the machines that are maintaining her life functions. In a sudden, swift movement he pops his claws and slashes the power cables. The machines fizzle and shut down.
Outside, in the hall, Jean and X have both "felt" what has happened. They move toward the door, but Wolverine comes out before they can enter. He stands for a moment in silence, looking at them. Finally he speaks. "She ain't meat," he says softly. And in an instant, he is gone, disappearing down a stairway.
Next issue, he finds and, in the most horrifying battle the Code would allow, kills Sabretooth (who was, at this point, to be revealed as his father.) (8/29/2006)
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JB: Okay -- I'm going to slightly bend one of my rules, and spell out for you what Howard and I briefly -- o, so briefly! -- considered for our Shaper of Worlds "fix" (to reboot the Spider-Man books).
In a nutshell, Peter Parker's life goes completely to hell. Cut his life into the thinnest slices you can, and there will be something very, wrong with every slice. Everything has gone wrong.
He finds himself once more on top of the Brooklyn Bridge. This is the point where it all went to hell, he thinks. When Gwen died. Or when Captain Stacey died. Or when Uncle Ben died. Or when that damn spider bit him. There's no way to pick a point. It's all just blackness, blackness and more blackness. And…
He falls from the bridge. Did he slip? Did he jump? We'll never know. Because the last shot in that issue is him falling like a limp rag wrapped around a rock…
…And next issue he wakes up back in Queens, back in Aunt May's house, back in high school. Along with everybody else in his supporting cast, he's been rewound. Only, he doesn't know that. The readers know it, of course, but for Peter, it's business as usual -- for maybe two issues. Then there's this little tickle at the back of his brain that tells him this isn't right. Look over there. Johnny Storm is twenty-something. Why does Peter think they should be contemporaries? It's just little things, but over the span of a few issues it brings him back to the Bridge again. Here. Something happened here. What? What happened?
"I happened," says the Shaper of Worlds, appearing alongside Peter. "I was drawn by your pain. I reached into your mind and found the last place you were happy. And I put you back there. I fixed everything."
"Well, UNfix it," demands Peter.
"No can do," says the Shaper. "What I shape, remains shaped." And he disappears.
Peter goes back to Queens. What can he do? He can't tell anybody. And -- now that he's met the Shaper, he's finding those little tickles are starting to disappear. Like they're being erased. Like he's forgetting that things used to be different.
By the end of maybe nine, ten months, the status quo would be the status quo, and no further mention would be made of the Shaper, or the previous timeline.
(1/15/2008)
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We know that JB likes the first SUPERMAN movie from 1978, but what does he think about the various superhero movies that have been released over the years?
JB: SUPERMAN II thru IV sucked with increasing vehemence.
Minus the first ten minutes or so, I really liked THE SHADOW.
Ditto THE PHANTOM.
DICK TRACY was hopeless. When you get the Central Character wrong, there's nowhere to go but down!
FLASH GORDON was fun, though I found some of the modernizations a bit intrusive. That tale Belongs in the 30s.
Want to count JUDGE DREDD? Pretty good as a sequel to DEMOLITION MAN -- but not really Judge Dredd.
And then, of course, there was MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE, the best NEW GODS movie ever made! Seriously -- if you pay attention to what is happening WITHIN the movie, and ignore the hokey Mattel names, it's not too hard to see whence came the inspiration. Heck, they even travel to Earth in what is obviously a Boom Tube!
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I remember in an earlier post you used a 3D illustration program to work out some perspective issues in a drawing. What program do you use? Do you see yourself expanding its use to buildings, vehicles or other elements?
JB: The progam is Strata 3DPro, which I've used since I switched from ModelShop about ten years ago. (The first time I used a modeler to create a "set" for one of my books was the time machine in OMAC, which was done with ModelShop.)
In the ten or twelve years that I have been using the modelers I have made very extensive use, from building the whole city that Wonder Woman was based in, thru models of New Genesis and Apokolips for JK4W, a fleet of Batmobiles for GENERATIONS 2 (and Gotham and Metropolis), and various vehicles plus the X-Mansion in HIDDEN YEARS. Bits and pieces have turned up elsewhere, usually when I want a complicated set or prop to remain consistent thru-out. The most "intensive" use was probably the robotic Luthor who appeared in G2. 90% of the shots of him were model shots. In all those cases (except OMAC) the actual renderings of the models were either imported to the scanned art (as in WW and JK4W) or literally pasted onto the boards (as in GENERATIONS and XHY.)
Lately -- in DOOM PATROL so far, but likely to turn up eventually in BLOOD OF THE DEMON -- I have returned to the method I used in OMAC, where I printed out a rendering of the model and then used a lightbox to trace it onto the boards. Altho I found the pasteup versions seen in XHY and G2 worked very well, I find this tracing approach produces an even more "organic" image -- especially when the book is being inked by someone other than myself. (9/10/2004)
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It takes 40 hours to complete a single 3D model? I didn't suspect that using computer for drawing could be so hard.
JB: Not so much "hard" -- I wouldn't do it if it was hard! -- as time consuming. Working out the shapes, creating the maps appropriate to those shapes --- it eats up the hours.
Saving time is one of my lesser justifications for using the models, of course. If it really was a case -- as some seem genuinely to believe -- of basically typing in "Daily Planet Building" or "1940s Batmobile" and then walking away and letting the computer do the work, I would not use the technique. But the fact that the end result is something I spent time and energy actually creating means it is, to me, just as much a part of the process as a pencil or a brush. (Since it only takes a couple of minutes to draw some of these things -- the Planet tower, the Batmobile -- it is, of course, not particularly a time saver to use the models. Say it takes even ten minutes -- much too long, but... -- to draw a single shot of the Batmobile, I would have to use the model a couple of hundred times to "use up" the time it took to build it!) (6/29/2005)
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What did you think about the various incarnations of Batman in the movies and on TV?
JB: I've made no secret of how completely enamored I am of "Batman Begins". The rubber suit is still a distraction, but the guy living inside it is a Batman I know. I have been reading this guy's adventures for years. And, true, he never baked a giant birthday cake (so far as we know!), but he does smile. In fact, the single moment that won me over, in the trailer, was the twinkle in Bruce's eye as he asks "Does it come in black?"
That's Batman!
The four non-Adam West BATMAN films were not about Batman, tho the first was pretty good in its own right. Consider Keaton's Batman: the armored suit was, of course, not his choice, but right away we are presented with a character we have never seen in the comics (unless, perhaps, we invoke the "inflato-Batman" suit occasionally worn by Robin). Machine guns mounted on the Batmobile were not Keaton's doing, either, but they belong to no Batman we have seen since the earliest days of his publishing history -- a there a Batman who vanished completely within the first two years.
What about Bruce Wayne, then? Minor detail -- when has Bruce ever worn glasses? Major detail -- when has Bruce ever been the assemblage of ticks and mannerisms Keaton brought to the roll?
It is an actor's prerogative to bring his own insights to a performance, but he must begin with the established character. Playing Hamlet in a clown nose and fright wig might get people paying attention, but it would add nothing to the character.
The Adam West Batman movie WAS about Batman, but. . . . well, you know.
A TV show is a TV show is a TV show -- it exists on its own merits (or lack thereof), and really should not have any effect on the comic(s) from which it is derived. The greatest sin of the "Batman" series was that it planted ZAP! POW! BAM! apparently forever in the minds of journalists whose idea of originality is to crib what the last guy wrote.
Beyond that, I will say that the Adam West show was more faithful to the underlying structure of the comic than anything until the "recent" animated series. Batman and Robin were at least good at what they did, and Batman was a great detective --something Tim Burton should have paid a wee bit more attention to!
In my opinion, I don't think that Tim Burton forgot the detective aspect in the first movie. Batman solves very cleverly the Joker poison mystery and do some detective research on Jack Napier=the joker.
JB: Unless there is a "director's cut" floating around that I am unaware of, I don't recall Batman doing much in the way of detective work in the Tim Burton movies. He spends a lot of time letting his computers sort things out for him, and he makes a couple of guesses that don't really spring from any logic. Nothing that requires him using detective skills tho -- especially not the Napier/Joker connection.
There he simply Recognizes the guy.
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Why did you decide to bring back the Original Human Torch?
JB: The most obvious answer to this question, of course, is "Why not?"
I "met" the original Torch in the FF ANNUAL Stan and Jack used to bring him back into the Marvel Universe (completing the "set" begun with Namor and Cap). I was fascinated by the idea that Johnny Storm was the second Human Torch -- the richness that kind of revelation added to the MU was, for me, immeasurable.
Of course, by the time I could do anything with the Torch, he was effectively "gone". having been transformed by Ultron into the Vision (an idea I really disliked -- shoehorning a new character into the history -- and credibility -- of an old). Then one day I happened to be chatting with Peter Sanderson and he made a passing reference to the Torch's funeral.
"There was a funeral??" I asked, mind boggling.
"Yes," said Peter, and he proceeded to tell me where and when. (Peter is the kind of guy who can answer just about any question in vast detail. Ask him what he wants to drink and before you know it you may know the entire history of the British East India Company.)
Well!! One of the first rules of superhero fiction is that if a VILLAIN tells you something, it is almost certainly false, and after a bit of research I realized everything we knew about the fate of the original Torch had come from Ultron, who of course had absolutely no reason to tell anybody the truth. The real clincher, tho, was that funeral. According to Ultron's story, he had found the Torch's body right where the Mad Thinker had left it, in a lab under the Arizona(?) desert -- but Toro had attended the Torch's funeral!
So, building on that I was able to "split" the Vision and the Torch, and allow us to have both characters! (2/24/2005)
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JB: Being such a fan of the first film and being hugely unimpressed with the second, I DID have my own third chapter worked out.
In my version all is as it has been shown to be. Darth is Luke's father. Darth's whole focus, then, is compelling Luke to join him on the Dark Side. He unleashed terrible forces against the universe. He destroys, kills, annihilates. Everything is designed to push Luke to the edge, as he is driven back by Vader's power.
The Moment comes. Vader has killed Someone Important. Leia. Han. Doesn't really matter. But Luke is pushed over. He's going to fight fire with fire. He opens himself to the Dark Side.
BAAAAAD Nastiness! A cosmic battle like we have not seen. Whole systems are destroyed.
But in the middle of it all, some spark of who and what Darth Vader used to be glimmers in the darkness. He sees his son become something more horrible than anything he has ever been -- and he sees that he has been wrong. He understands, perhaps for the first time, everything Obi-Wan taught him.
He kills Luke. He cannot do anything else. But in the process, he also ABSORBS him. They both become One with the Force, and out of this, Darth Vader is reborn -- HE is the "other" Yoda prophesized.
The reborn Vader sets out to restore order and peace to the Galaxy, his black armor now transformed into brilliant, blazing white. (I did a drawing of this. It looks WAY cool!)
And somewhere off in the great by and by, Obi-Wan looks upon what he set in motion, and knows that, in the end, he did the right thing.
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JB: (My new project) is BLOOD OF THE DEMON, which will indeed be my take on the character created by Jack Kirby, but which will, as the title suggest, focus a little more on Jason Blood as the main character this time out. Some old friends will be returning, along with some new faces. Also I hope to delve more into Jason's long life, doing occasional "flashback" issues looking at times past. Hey! The guy's been around for at least 1000 years!
Will Pfiefer will be handling the scripting, from my plots and pencils, much as Chris did on the JLA arc. As we go along, I'll doubtless be open to more and more input on the plotting level, from Will, as this will be an ongoing series, and not an arc, like JLA, that's completely finished before the scriper even sees it. (8/14/2004)
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JB: I have been pitching a Demon series every couple of years or so since I first went to work for DC "full time" in the days of MAN OF STEEL. With a "new regime" in the form of Dan DiDio, I decided it was time to try again, but this time, knowing Dan comes from a Hollywood background, I decided to take a slightly different approach. To this end, I sat down and "shot the pilot", drawing, completely on spec, the whole 22 pages of my "first issue". This I turned in to Dan, along with a script. He liked it -- but there was a problem. DC has a new policy (DC seems to be in love with new policies, just at the nonce) which requires that all work done with existing characters be vouchered before the work is done. (Smart, I suppose -- prevents people popping up later and trying to say work-made-for-hire was not, in fact, work-made-for-hire.) This meant they could not use the "pilot" -- but they did want a Demon series from me.
So, with echoes of STAR TREK in my brain, I wrote up vouchers for the first six issues, and sat down to salvage as many pages from the original job as I could. (Imagine if "The Menagerie" had been ST:TOS's second pilot.) I shuffled thru the pages and extracted those that I felt could be used as the basis for something which would set up the stuff I needed, and then drew new pages (sometimes half pages or just panels) to bridge those existing pages. This was a rare instance in my work where the content of the page dictated the flow of the story, instead of the other way 'round.
Altho some got left out, and some got chopped up (literally) to make new pages, I ended up with a new story that was just as satisfying, to me, as the first one had been. (03/02/2005)
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What is "DuoShade"?
JB: DuoShade and Craftint are -- or were -- the trade names of a kind of board some artists used for creating grey tones in their work. The boards were imprinted with line or dot screens, in non-repro blue, which became visible when a special chemical was applied. One chemical would bring out one of the line or dot screens, the second would bring out the other, so that two shades of grey could be created. Skilled artists, such as Wally Wood, managed to create the illusion that there were more shades than that.
The chemicals could be applied with pen, brush, or any other tool the artist might choose.
The downside of these boards was that the chemicals that brought out the line screen were a kind of photographic process, so if the artwork was exposed to light the line would continue to "develop", growing darker and darker. Even the areas not treated with the chemicals would darken eventually.
Incidentally, altho they printed black, and thus gave a grey tone, the line screens themselves appeared on the board as a deep brown or brownish red shade. (11/25/2006)
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What was the (presumably editorial) disagreement that caused such a sudden departure from the book?
JB: The departure was as sudden as it was for a simple reason: a bone-head EiC who did not pay attention. Several months before the Immortus storyline got started, we writers and editors were summoned to the EiC's office for the purpose of concocting the latest . . . shudder. . . Summer Crossover. As I had a storyline coming up in AWC that would be pretty cosmic and wide reaching, I offered it as the basis for the Crossover. The EiC said no, he didn't want to do that for the Crossover. So Howard Mackie (AWC Editor) and I returned to our jobs on the book, and went ahead with the story as planned. One month before we got to the Big Reveal, as it were, the EiC suddenly noticed we were doing the storyline he had "rejected". He ordered us to change it, immediately. Howard protested -- the EiC had not said we could not do the storyline, only that he did not want to use it for the Crossover. Finally the EiC pulled rank -- we Must change our story, as we did not have "permission" to do it. (Permission was needed only if stories caused major changes to characters or continuity. This did neither.) Since there was nothing I could do with all my months setup, other than the story as planned, I quit in protest, with Howard's support.
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Could you give a quick run-down on how you created your font?
JB: The one I currently use in all my books is based on Jack Morelli's lettering. Knowing that I had been experimenting with hand-lettering fonts, Jack asked me what I would charge to make one for him, of his own lettering. I said "I get to use it." So Jack lettered up an alphabet, including all punctuation and special keys (like those little three line bursts that kinda look like > and <), and I scanned them into my computer. Then, using a low-end font maker called FONTastic, I dropped each letter into the appropriate "slot", fiddled the kerning, fiddled the leading, and created those option keys I mentioned above. That done, I imported the whole thing to FONTographer, which tidied up all the pixellation and created the different sizes. Whole process (excluding Jack lettering the alphabet) takes about an
hour and a half.
BTW, I ended up using Jack's font so much, I also now PAY him a small stipend for the privilege! (2/7/98)
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MidOhioCon 2004 is billing your appearance as your last ever. How come?
JB: When I first got into the business, I used to look upon conventions as a kind of mini-vacation. I'd go to a con, hang out with folks, meet the fans, and be back at the drawingboard Monday morning. But as years went by, it got to be Tuesday morning. Wednesday. Thursday. Monday -- but of the next week. Basically, I found that I was needing more and more "recovery time" after each convention -- and that recovery time was time in which the real part of my job, drawing comics, was not getting done. So I weighed the advantages (interacting with a few hundred fans) against the disadvantages (not working on books that are for tens of thousands of fans), and I decided the former did not outweigh the latter. So, after MidOhioCon 2004, no more cons for me. (10/03/2004)
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Over the decades, a few of JB's stories have contained elements that were later mirrored by real-life events. For example:
* JB drew an issue of MARVEL TEAM-UP with writer Chris Claremont that involved a blackout in New York City. Soon after the issue was released in 1977 (and months after JB had drawn it), New York City experienced a massive blackout.
* In UNCANNY X-MEN, JB and Claremont created a story where Japan was struck by an earthquake caused by supervillain Moses Magnum. In 1978, Japan was struck by a number of earthquakes.
* In the Superman reboot miniseries MAN OF STEEL, JB planned to have Superman introduce himself the world when he saved the NASA space shuttle from a disaster. While JB was still working on the issue, the Space Shuttle Challenger operated by NASA experienced a fatal disaster. JB was able to redraw the pages so Superman was shown saving a fictional space-plane instead of a "space shuttle."
* In late August 1997, WONDER WOMAN #126 hit the stands with a story about the death of Wonder Woman, Princess Diana of Themyscira. A few days later, England's Princess Diana was killed in a car accident.
JB's perspective on these coincidences, as published in Scientific American: My ability as a prognosticator…would seem assured—provided, of course, we reference only the above, and skip over the hundreds of other comic books I have produced which featured all manner of catastrophes, large and small, which did not come to pass.
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JB: When Roger Stern and I were doing CAPTAIN AMERICA we flirted -- too strong a word already! -- with the notion of doing a story in which Cap visits a VA hospital, and in one corner of a ward full of damaged survivors of WW2 comes across a legless, armless vegetable who, upon seeing Cap, stirs from his forty year coma and is revealed to be Bucky. We were thinking poignant, painful, pathos, lots of P words. And we realized, instantly, than in two and a half seconds someone else would have transplanted his brain, cloned him, or some other nonsense. Anyone who has any respect at all for the whole story of Cap and Bucky would, ultimately, know it was best to leave Bucky dead. (3/30/1998)
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The collaboration between you and Roger Stern on Captain America in the early '80s was quite possibly the best version of Cap ever. Why did this run end so prematurely? I've seen the pages you drew that had Cap ready to depart from the UK after the Baron Blood two-part story. What the heck happened there?
JB: Start with Jim Shooter. One day he decided that all stories should be complete in one issue. There could be "continued stories" in the sense that subplots or locations could carry over from one issue to the next, but each issue had to contain a complete story unto itself. And, as with all such Shooter declarations, this was to be put into place +now+, immediately-with no consideration of the fact that some of us (say, Roger and I) might be already working on what was intended as the first chapter of a three part story.
To cut a long story very short, Roger came into contention with the CAP editor (Jim Salicrup) over this, and decided he would leave the book in protest. Although Salicrup asked if I would be interested in staying on as writer, I decided to support Roger, and left too.
A great pity, all things considered.
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I just clicked over to eBay and saw the original cover to your last issue of the Fantastic Four which Marvel rejected. Any reason why they didn't use this cover? I feel that it was a lot more dynamic then the one that was used (the one that depicted She-Hulk being swallowed by the black dome).
JB: A lot of things happened in my last days on the FF. You may recall, this was when I was gearing up to being my run on Superman, and, being perhaps a bit Pollyanna in my younger days, actually thought I would be able to work on both books, without interference. I had even been given the blessing of Mike Hobson, then the putative publisher. But, alas, I overlooked the office of Editor-in-Chief. If you worked at Marvel in those days, one of the things that became increasingly apparent was that the books that were the most successful were the ones that came under the most stringent scrutiny by the EiC. One would think it would be the reverse, no? That the poorly selling books would be the ones that got their feet held, figuratively speaking, to the fire? Eventually it dawned on me that the EiC was not really seeking to salvage poor selling books, but, rather, was seeking to lay claim to the success of the books that were already doing well. Thus the X-Books were constantly under fire, as were the Spider-Books and, of course, the FF (which was one of Marvel's top sellers at the time). Since it became increasingly impossible for me to do anything right, in the eyes of the EiC, my decision to do Superman was just one more nail in the coffin. Suddenly, overnight, I could do Absolutely Nothing right. Remember the return of Jean Grey? Completely approved, in every detail, before I announced I was going to do Superman. After the announcement, redrawn and rewritten copiously. This is a rather long-winded way of saying that cover was rejected, for the same reason all the other changes were made: to punish me for being a Bad Boy.
If the powers that be at Marvel offered you the Fantastic Four would you do it? Or is your FF door closed forever?
JB: One of the things I have realized from reading umpety-ump postings here OnLine is that my work on the FF has been elevated far beyond its proper station. Sure, it was mostly good stuff, and some of it even flirted with greatness, but in many respects it shines because of the ol' Tiberius/Caligula scenario -- it looks so great because so much that followed was dross. Thus I face a terrible problem: if I were to return to the FF I would not only be expected to instantly "save" the book, I would be expected to "return" to those grandiose heights which I never really achieved in the first place! Frankly, I can live without that kind of pressure! (1/4/98)
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When you took over the Hulk's series, did you intend to stay beyond the six excellent issues you did, or did you find that those six stories said pretty much everything you wanted to say with the Hulk?
My adventures with THE INCREDIBLE HULK came about by a rather sad and curious route. I'd always liked the Hulk, but felt -- and this will shock and astound everyone, I'm sure -- that the character had drifted too far from his beginnings, and a "back to the basics" approach was necessary. To this end, I mentioned what I thought should be done with the Hulk to the Editor-in-Chief, and his response was "That's great! You should take over the Hulk book at once!" Well, I was up to my ears in other stuff at the time, so taking over the Hulk seemed unlikely -- until I realized I really had said all I had to say with ALPHA FLIGHT. So I called Bill Mantlo, who was writing HULK at the time, and asked if he would care to trade. Ultimately we did, and I set about doing all those things I had told to the E-i-C. Whereupon the very same E-i-C began saying "You can't do this! You can't do that!" Realizing I had been bushwacked, I took the only course available, and left the book after six issues. (1/18/98)
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Rita is almost like the mom of the group, looking after them and adding a little touch of normalcy to this team of "freaks".
JB: Rita Farr was always the ringer, I felt, in the whole "Freaks" concept of the Doom Patrol. While Cliff and Larry clearly had no choice about being what they are all the time, all Rita had to do to not be a "freak" was not use her power! It's not like she lived in a world where what she did was all that extraordinary, after all (altho, granted, the original Doom Patrol existed in something that was not yet truly a "universe", and altho characters would meet in each other's titles, the editors tended to operate as if the books were mostly independent, most of the time).
In the more clearly defined "universe" in which the "new" Doom Patrol operates, there is no reason for Rita (or anyone else) to think of her as a "freak". (9/8/2004)
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Were those two Indiana Jones issues the only ones you were supposed to do or was a longer run originally envisioned? If longer, why was it cut short?
JB: I'm going to do my best not to whine at you here. INDIANA JONES was one of the Worst Experiences I've had as a comicbook professional. It started out well enough -- I saw "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and came out of the theater with my brain abuzz with all kinds of story ideas for such a character, expecially set against the fascinating millieu of the 1930s. The first obstacle turned out to be Shooter (ser-prize!!) He didn't want to do an Indiana Jones book. Thought it would have no sales appeal. It was Jim Salicrup who pointed out that more people had heard of Indiana Jones than of Any Marvel character. So the book got greenlighted, written and drawn by yours truly.
Then came the second hurdle. Obviously, one of the chief attractions of such a book would be the Saturday Morning Serial feel one could evoke -- collosal, impossible cliffhangers at the end of every issue. Right? Well, not as far as Shooter was concerned. He was in his "one issue" mode at that time -- all stories must be resolved in one issue (except the ones he wrote himself, of course!). I could do "cliffhangers", he said, but only if I resolved them in The Same Issue. Some cliffhanger, huh?
Ahh. . . but this was only the Beginning! Next came the liason with LucasFilm, a woman who clearly understood nothing about the way comics were produced, and who had no inclination to learn. It went like this: I wrote the plot, submitted it to LucasFilm for approval. It was approved. Drew the pictures, likewise submitted, likewise approved. Wrote the script, submitted it -- she asked for plot changes. Er, no, we said -- that was two steps ago. No, she said, want plot changes!! And when the first issue was finally complete, she decided she liked the plot I'd submitted months earlier for the third issue even better, and wanted that to be the first issue. We talked her out of that one. After two issues of this insanity, I gave up the ghost.
There was no way to work if each step could be overturned by someone who did not understand the process. (This did not change after I left, by the way. Tom DeFalco later told me that when Marvel did the adaptation of the second movie, each step was approved as above, then one week before the book was to go to the printers, she called up and asked for a different penciler!!!!) Okay. . . . so I whined a little bit.
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JB: When Howard Mackie, who was then editor of IRON MAN, called me up to ask if I would be interested in taking on the writing chores on that title, I was at first resistant. For one thing, the previous team had quit after solicitations had already gone out for their next storyline, so we were stuck having to produce something called "Armor Wars II" or Marvel would have to accept the book as returnable. I had not given much thought to what I might do with Iron Man, so the idea that I would have to start out with a retread of someone else's idea was in no way appealing. Then Howard said JRjr would be drawing it, and I said "Let me think about it."
The next day I called Howard and said "Okay, I have three Iron Man stories -- but only three. I'll sign on for those and see what happens."
What happened, at least at first, was the great pleasure of working with JR -- but, as noted, that lasted only 7 issues. He had his own, er, issues when it came to Iron Man, and apologized profusely for leaving. Paul Ryan came on in his stead. Paul is a solid artist, very skilled, but the magic was not the same. And then Howard left, too. So the project started out very well, but petered out rather quickly. (3/13/2005)
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JB: When I was asked to come up with a new "take" on She-Hulk for another try at a series, one of the first things Mark Gruenwald handed me (it was he who had done the asking) was the plot for a She-Hulk graphic novel that was in the works. Mark asked me to read it over and see what needed to be done to bring the plot into line with where I would be taking the new series. Dutifully, I read the plot and discovered that it pretty much missed the whole point of the character. Not only that, but it got huge chunks of Wyatt Wingfoot's history wrong (had him in the wrong tribe, for instance). It also got huge chunks of the real world totally wrong! In other words, pretty much of a mess.
I wrote copious notes thruout the plot, pointing out all the things that were wrong, and sent it back in. Frankly, I thought it was pretty much unsalvagable.
I started work on SENSATIONAL SHE-HULK and everything seemed to be going fine, until I discovered the editor assigned to the book was ignoring my notes on the graphic novel and was, in fact, actually rewriting my stuff to bring it into line with
the G.N. I complained to the EiC who told me he "didn't want to be like Shooter" and so in any difference of opinion between editor and talent he would "always support my editors".*
So I was fired off SENSATIONAL SHE-HULK.
*This was the same EiC who "supported (his) editors" by rejecting an AVENGERS WEST COAST storyline the editor had completely approved and that had been in the works, as subplots, for several months. (12/11/04)
I'm currently re-reading the Comics Interview book that collected various interviews with you, and in it they have your cover to SENSATIONAL SHE-HULK #9 with "Roger the Robot". Since you left the book before that issue, can you share what your story idea was for that issue?
JB: I'd planned to introduce a very ROG-like golden robot as Jen's butler. She was going to meet him when she found herself prosecuting him for murder in a story I could not resist titling "Who Framed Roger Robot?" (4/11/2007)
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JB: Sue makes herself, or other objects, invisible by bending light rays. I stated this in so many words several times during my run on the FF. In effect, it is not unlike gravity lensing, which can cause a star to appear to be in two places at once, when viewed from Earth. The light flows around Sue, like water flowing around a rock in a river. It arrives at the viewers eyes as if it had traveling in an straight line without Sue being in the way.
As to how she sees herself, when invisible, she needs only a very tiny amount of light, in terms of physical area, to be able to see. This much light she allows thru to her retinaes. If one was standing very close to Sue, and she was not moving, it might even be possible to see the small, dim patches on the backs of her eyes where the light was touching. (1/31/2005)
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John Byrne: In 1990, Stan Lee contacted me and asked me if I would like the be "editor-in-chief" of a whole new line he was going to create at Marvel -- a line which would be set in Marvel's future, unconnected to the Marvel Universe as we knew it. As it happened, I had been giving some thought to a "Futureverse" of my own, and, being flattered by Stan's offer, I suggested that what I had come up with (but at that time thought I had no place to develop) would fit the bill for his project. To this end I plotted (Stan was to script) and drew a 64 page "pilot".
When Stan saw the pilot pages he asked for more specific MU references. I'd tried to keep the thing "clean", so as not to turn the whole MU into a Superboy story, but Stan thought we SHOULD at least HINT at what had happened to some of the folk we knew from the present continuity. Fortunately, since my story was told in the 64 pages, this meant only adding some 12 additional pages and some bridging material to make them fit. Thus, when I took the project back it was, luckily, not a case of re-writing or re-drawing, but simply of removing pages I had not wanted in there in the first place. I'd taken a set of concepts, bent them slightly to fit Stan's needs, and then had only to "unbend" them to get back to my own original material. Stuck with 64 pages and no thought of where to put 'em -- I did not want to offer the book to DC, since that seemed vaguely scabrous somehow -- I mentioned my dilemma to Roger Stern, who suggested I give DarkHorse a call. I did. They accepted the proposal with open arms. I also pitched NEXT MEN, which had been floating in my brain for a while, and which they also liked. I then realized the tiniest bit of tweaking in the dialog would make my graphic novel -- now titled 2112 -- into a prequel/sequel pilot for JBNM. (3/28/1998)
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I believe you were the first to return to the original way of drawing the Watcher (skinny body, outsized head). Just wondered what you thought of Kirby's bulkier Watcher from FF #48 on, and why you decided to revert back to the original appearance?
JB: FANTASTIC FOUR 13 was something of a seminal event for me. The Kirby art. The Ditko inks. The amazing images of the Blue Area of the Moon. (After the first time I read it, I waited for Moonrise so I could go out and check. When I could not see any "blue area" I decided it must be my eyes that were at fault.) Most of all, there was the Watcher. What a great character! And so weird looking!
In his second appearance, he was pretty weird looking, too, tho he was starting to get a little more human. By the time Galactus arrived, he was just a bald fat guy.
I'd seen this happen before with Kirby characters. Clearly, Jack did not keep or refer to copies of the earlier pages. Sometimes, even in the same issue! (Look at the first appearance of Kuurgo, Master of Planet X. Compare how he looks on the splash to how he looks the next time he appears in the book.*)
So, when I got to do the Watcher -- and had complete "control", since I had done him before and drawn the fat guy -- I went back to Jack's original version. (10/07/2005)
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At Reed and Sue's housewarming party in FANTASTIC FOUR #276, I see some familiar faces from the newspaper comic strips, but I don't recognize all of them.

Back row: Hi, Lois, Sue Richards
On the couch: Joe Palooka, his wife Ann Palooka, Dick Tracy
Middle row: Mr. Lockhorn, Mrs. Lockhorn, Skeezix (GASOLINE ALLEY), Jiggs (BRING UP FATHER), Henry Mitchell (DENNIS THE MENACE)
Front row: Blondie, Dagwood, their neighbor Herb Woodley (all from BLONDIE)
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I know that things such as office politics come into play, but why haven't you returned to
a book that most fans agree hasn't been nearly as good as when you were doing
it -- the Fantastic Four.
JB: There are two reasons, primarily, that I have declined Marvel's offers of the FF (They twice did offer me a kingly crown, which I did twice refuse) -- one is that I really don't like going backwards, and as much as I love the FF, it would feel as though I was doing just that. Second (and more important, really -- I could get over the first one) is how much I dislike setting myself up for comparison to my own earlier work, especially work which, like the FF, has taken on a legendary status far greater than its actually worth. (Second only to Lee and Kirby? Sure, if the space between is about 400 light years!) With each "generation" off the FF since I departed I have looked at the book and thought "Well, okay, I could pick it up from here and go. . .there. . . " but I feel no real urge to do so. Some legends are best left, well, legendary! (4/18/1998)
Did Marvel originally ask you to start the FANTASTIC FOUR with their new issue #1 or issue #4 after Lobdell/Davis left?
JB: Both. They asked me to do the return, then they asked me to take over after Scott got the boot. Ironically, as I noted in the FF folder, had I accepted the second offer, my first issue would have been #5 -- the first issue of the FF I read.
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JB: As I assembled the mythology in my own mind -- with what later formed the underpinning for GENESIS -- there were the Old Gods, who were almost supremely powerful, and who destroyed themselves and their world. The energy released by this destruction swept out thru the universe in the form of a "Godwave" which seeded power on many other planets, bringing forth beings who were "gods" compared to the mortal around them. The Godwave reached a kind of "maximum extension" and bounced back, sweeping thru the universe a second time as it collapsed back toward its original center. This second pass, with its power much diminished, seeded the potential for beings who would some day come to be known as "superheroes" (and villains!).
While all this was happening, Apokolips and New Genesis were forming out of the remains of the original GodWorld. Thus, these "new" gods were the most powerful such beings, generally speaking, tho not at the level of, say, the Biblical God.
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JB: In 1990, Stan Lee contacted me and asked me if I would like the be "editor-in-chief" of a whole new line he was going to create at Marvel -- a line which would be set in Marvel's future, unconnected to the Marvel Universe as we knew it. As it happened, I had been giving some thought to a "Futureverse" of my own, and, being flattered by Stan's offer, I suggested that what I had come up with (but at that time thought I had no place to develop) would fit the bill for his project. To this end I plotted (Stan was to script) and drew a 64 page "pilot".
When Stan saw the pilot pages he asked for more specific MU references. I'd tried to keep the thing "clean", so as not to turn the whole MU into a Superboy story, but Stan thought we SHOULD at least HINT at what had happened to some of the folk we knew from the present continuity. Fortunately, since my story was told in the 64 pages, this meant only adding some 12 additional pages and some bridging material to make them fit. Thus, when I took the project back it was, luckily, not a case of re-writing or re-drawing, but simply of removing pages I had not wanted in there in the first place. I'd taken a set of concepts, bent them slightly to fit Stan's needs, and then had only to "unbend" them to get back to my own original material. Stuck with 64 pages and no thought of where to put 'em -- I did not want to offer the book to DC, since that seemed vaguely scabrous somehow -- I mentioned my dilemma to Roger Stern, who suggested I give DarkHorse a call. I did. They accepted the proposal with open arms. I also pitched NEXT MEN, which had been floating in my brain for a while, and which they also liked. I then realized the tiniest bit of tweaking in the dialog would make my graphic novel -- now titled 2112 -- into a prequel/sequel pilot for JBNM. (3/28/1998)
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Why did you decide to make She-Hulk a such strange character? Talking with the artist and all the rest were great ideas, but I don't know why you did it and why did you chose She-Hulk for it.
JB: She-Hulk has something of a checkered history. When she debuted in her original series, she was THE SAVAGE SHE-HULK -- Marvel had a thing about the word "savage" in those days -- and she ran around in a torn shirt and broke things. Not much of interest there, despite some really neat Michael Golden covers. Her book died, and she drifted in the netherworld reserved for such characters -- until Roger Stern decided to put her in the Avengers, and, more importantly, to show that Jennifer Walters, unlike her cousin Bruce, actually had fun with her emerald alter ego.
When Mark Gruenwald asked me to create a new She-Hulk series (SENSATIONAL, rather than SAVAGE this time!) he had one editorial demand: "Make it different!" I thought about this for a while, and then decided it might be fun to push Roger's notions as far as they could go, and have Jen be aware (only in her own title, mind you!) that she was in a comic book. And then to play with -- but never mock -- the conceits and foibles of the format. Mark loved the idea, and thus She-Hulk got her second series. (6/16/2005)
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JB: First, it depends on how you define "fix". Aside from some wonky science more or less characteristic of the time, there is nothing wrong with the Spider-Man origin as first presented. But when Stan and Steve did that story in AMAZING FANTASY there were two important elements that many seem to forget: one, it was only fifteen pages long, and two, it was, so far as they knew, the ONLY Spider-Man story that was ever going to be told! Now, almost forty years later, Marvel has decided to "reboot" Spider-Man, but unlike the Superman reboot, this does not mean scraping away years and years of barnacles. Instead, it means taking the whole Spider-Man tapestry and looking at it with a single eye -- asking, for example, what Stan and Steve might have done with (a) more pages, and (b) a certain knowledge of future Spider-Man stories. Thus, certain scenes can be expanded, and a large degree of foreshadowing can be brought into play. CHAPTER ONE is a way of saying "Hey! Over here!" to potential new readers, while the remaining Spider-Titles will undergo what we hope will be their own Renaissance.
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One thing that's notable about the way Peter gets his powers in AMAZING FANTASY #15 is that it happens very, very quietly, in a way that no one but Peter himself notices. The big explosion involved in the CHAPTER ONE origin takes away from that.
JB: You're not the first to raise this particular objection, and my response is the same each time: you're standing too close. Explosion or no explosion, no "special attention" is drawn to the moment when Peter is bitten by the spider. Only you, the readers, see this event, exactly as in the original version. There is no "string of evidence" to be followed that would lead an investigator from the explosion to an assumption that someone there was transformed into Spider-Man, and thence to Peter Parker's doorstep. Howard Mackie and I, in fact, addressed this very point in one of our AMAZING SPIDER-MAN stories -- showing someone who was tracking down people who had been involved in the event to find out if (in a universe were such things were not uncommon) anything "strange" had happened to them. He was not looking specifically for Spider-Man, and had no reason to assume Spider-Man was in any way involved.
The window dressing is made larger, but the event itself remains every bit as intimate as in the AMAZING FANTASY version. Possibly even moreso, since there are no potential witnesses in this instance, unlike the original in which Parker's distress at being bitten (if not the bite itself) is observed and even remarked upon. (6/4/2005)
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Norman Osborn behind some of the other villains/threats (which Untold Tales also did, but not with known ones)
JB: A "reveal", not a change. To qualify as a "change" you must first show evidence that points to the contrary.
Norman Osborn related to the Sandman
JB: Again, a "reveal". Nothing in the previous 30 years indicated otherwise.
a big explosion that impacted more than just Peter, and led to Peter being in the hospital for some time.
JB: A change -- necessitated by the updating. Modern readers know much more about how radioactivity works than was the case in 1963. (I wonder what would have been the reaction if I had, as was briefly considered, gone with a genetically engineered spider, in lieu of a radioactive one?)
the explosion also gave birth to Dr. Octopus
JB: That is Ock's origin.
the burglar picked the house, not at random, but because he had a run in with Uncle Ben. This is neither the original or retcon from AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 200
JB: The story in AMAZING 200 merely added to the already staggering coincidences. The CO version eliminated them.
he adopted the current continuity of MJ knowing from the beginning
JB: Need an explanation here of how using something already in continuity qualifies as a "change".
With the Chameleon, he did update him by having him with Dr. Doom, not the commies
JB: That, or Parker gets really old. Plus, this fits with the mandate of CO being written as if Stan Lee and Steve Ditko had it all worked out before the first year started.
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JB: It went like this: Marv Wolfman was offered the Second Chair on the Superman relaunch, to write what was then going to be ACTION COMICS, with a new title to be created for the team-up book.
Marv called me to discuss something he had in mind for Luthor, a "fix" he had been working on in his head for several years. Before he would tell it to me, however, he had a couple of stipulations:
1) It must be all or nothing. Either I accept his proposal in its entirety, or I take nothing from it. He was very insistent on this point: he wanted my promise that I would use nothing from his proposal if I did not take all of it.
2) If I decided I did not like his version of Luthor, he would decline the Second Chair and we would have to find someone else to write ACTION.
I agreed to both these terms, since they seemed very fair, to me. Plus I always like it when all the cards are on the table up front. That's how I play.
Then he told me his version of Luthor in exactly these words:
"Outside Metropolis, on a high mountain, in his palatial Xanadu-like estate, lives Lex Luthor, the world's richest man, and his mistress, Lois Lane." He paused, for dramatic effect, I suppose, then said "See, she's drawn to power!"
It took me about 3 nanoseconds to say "No." I said I liked the "world's richest man" angle, but what he was proposing was more of a reboot of Lois than it was of Luthor, and I already knew who I wanted Lois to be -- or, more exactly, what I wanted Lois to be: likeable ! And the Lois he presented was not my definition of "likeable"!
So I said "Thanks," and suggested maybe there would be some project in the future that we might work on together, and I was about to say "Good-bye" when Marv said "Well, we don't have to use that part!"
"But you said we have to use all of it," I reminded him.
"Oh, no! If you don't like the part with Lois, we don't have to use it!"
Huh.
So I told him I would think about it, and over the next few days, after discussions with a number of people (including Roger Stern and Mark Gruenwald) who all heard the story as I have told it above, and who had suggestions on what I could do with Luthor as "the world's richest man", I decided that basic four-word seed was a good place to go with the character. Of course, since I saw Metropolis as New York (quite literally) I didn't want any mountains poking up along side the city, so that went away, and I built the character as a cross between Donald Trump, Ted Turner, Howard Hughes and maybe Satan himself!
Later, when everything was launched, and ACTION COMICS had become the team-up book and Wolfman was writing ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN (the title was my suggestion, to invoke both the George Reeves' TV series and the old ADVENTURE COMICS home of Superboy), I found out that he was claiming sole credit for "creating" Luthor. I shrugged it off. It did not seem important enough to worry about.
Years later I found out Wolfman got paid a bonus for his "creation" of the new Luthor. Something that, somehow, no one at DC had thought necessary to tell me about.
After a most unsatisfactory first year of "collaboration" Wolfman's contract was not renewed, and I took over writing ADVENTURES, with Jerry Ordway doing a fair bit of the plotting. (10/20/2003)
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JB: There's hardly a job out there that I would not tweak in some way if I could. As you may know, I dumped Superboy from the Superman mythos largely because I did not see him as a necessary character, and DC had agreed to allow me to show Superman "learning the ropes" after the reboot. Unfortunately, once the contracts were signed, the backed down on this and insisted we do MAN OF STEEL so that Superman would be "up to speed" by the time the new first issue came out. (Eventually I would realize that they wanted Superman rebooted without him actually being, you know, rebooted. Odd, indeed, since I had said from the start I was prefectly prepared to work from within continuity, and the reboot was their idea.) So, since I did not have a Superman who was still "figuring it out", I wish I had had Superboy to fill that role. (2/21/2005)
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JB: One of the central points of my "back to the basics" approach to the Superman reboot was that he began his career as an adult -- so no Superboy. This, I knew, would have a rather profound effect on the Legion, whose history was tied directly to Superboy, and at several editorial meetings I brought up this point often, suggesting different ways in which it could be dealt with. (Several times I referenced a book I'd had as a kid called "Young Robin Hood". This told the adventures of Robin, Marion, Little John, et al when they were all around 10 years old, and long, long before they "actually" met. I suggested the Legion had formed based on legends of Superman's adventures as a boy -- adventures the Legion members would be surprised to discover had not actually happened.) I was told, basically "don't worry, we have it all figured out!"
Then about six months into the project I got a panicked call from the Superman editor: "This reboot messes up the Legion!!"
"Yes? I thought we all understood this?"
"No! My god! We have to do something!!"
And thus was born the Pocket Universe and the story that "explained" the Legion's Superboy connection.
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Was it your idea to bring back the character of Supergirl or was it something that DC said needed to be done?
JB: That was my idea. I felt it was probably not a good idea to let the copyright on the name slip away, and, what the heck! It was a chance to do a storyline guaranteed to mess with some heads, a significant part of my job description! Unfortunately, several coloring errors -- Supergirl being a redhead when she should have been a blonde, etc, tipped the hand and made the story, probably, even MORE confusing than it was meant to be! (11/2/97)
I planned to have her as a recurrent character in the Superman titles. When I left the book, Roger Stern came up with the "Matrix" angle, and progressed her story from there. (10/9/2005)
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When you revamped Superman and gave him a force-field around his body, did you do that because you wanted to get away from the "indestructible" costume thing? Did you catch much slack for this new "power"?
JB: No, to both. A few months before I started work on Superman, I'd read a book called "The Secret House" (which I highly recommend, though I sadly cannot remember the name of the author.) This book tells all about the strange and amazing things that happen in the world around us, things of which we are mostly oblivious (How they make chocolate cake, for instance. Shudder.) One of the things that was most interesting was the fact that the bioelectric energy of the human body generates a field of energy around all of us, very low wattage and very close to the skin. (This is not Kirillian photography, btw. This is real science.) Apparently, were it not for this field, we would be covered with dust and grime all the time. I extrapolated this for Superman, as a justification for him wearing a skintight (to be inside the field) costume. (4/25/1998)
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What were the actual reasons for never naming Bruce Wayne's bride in any of the GENERATIONS stories?
JB: Batman has never had a "Lois Lane". There have been many women in his life -- Julie Madison, Vicki Vale, Kathy Kane, Selina Kyle, Silver St. Cloud, Talia -- any one of whom is considered "perfect" by various segments of fandom. My own choice would be Kathy, but she did not fit the rules I had set up for GENERATIONS, in terms of when characters would appear. Logically, of course, Mrs. Wayne would be Julie, since she and Bruce were already affianced before the series even started, and in the "real time" world of the "Generations Universe" they most likely would have gotten married. So, with no one definite to use, I decided to play it as a mystery. Simply never call her by name. By keeping her face obscured until she was really old (or painted green!) I added a level -- one that is quite illusory, since "all Byrne's women look the same". I could have shown her face and there would have been nothing revealed! (7/8/2004)
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Did you ever feel interested in doing Wolverine as a solo character?
JB: The issues I did of WOLVERINE, I did mostly for the chance to work with Archie Goodwin. He also felt that he didn't have much to "say" with Wolverine, so when he left, I left. About six months later we got our royalty checks and asked each other "Why did we leave, again?"
Wolverine, for me, works best when he is part of a group, so that he has something -- the other characters -- against which to be contrasted. Of course, since the brilliant new idea of so many writers these days seems to be to write everyone as Wolverine -- well, there's not much to contrast, is there? (1/26/2006)
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You stated in Wizard that 85% of the stuff on the last year of your run on UNCANNY X-MEN was yours and it was inferred that the rest was Chris Claremont's. I was wondering, what was your stuff?
JB: Well, let's see -- "Days of Future Past" was mine. (Chris's contribution was the title and Senator Kelly -- who I named, after a young lady I was pursuing at the time.) Using the Hellfire Club was Chris's idea -- where, when and how was mine. Using MasterMind was mine, along with naming him "Jason Wyngarde". That latter was a play on a British TV show that had run in Canada a while before -- "Jason King" starring Peter Wyngarde. Lots more bits and pieces. Roger Stern, editor and unindicted co-conspirator would probably remember more. He's good at that.
(Of course, I always like to point out that after I left the book, sales on X-MEN mounted from about 100,000 per month to over 400,000 -- and that was BEFORE the Speculator Madness. So I guess I was holding Chris back...)
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When you were drawing Wolverine in your run on UNCANNY X-MEN, Logan was depicted as having very hairy arms while out of costume and sometimes having "unhairy" arms in costume -- sometimes in the same issue. Was there any reason for this?
JB: First, let me grumble a bit.
For some reason, I have developed a reputation for changing characters. Usually when I actually do this, it is restoring them to their original forms, but the impression is more that I charge in like a juggernaut, scattering defenseless editors in my wake.
The truth is closer to the other end of the spectrum. I have seen my stuff redrawn more times than I can shake a stick at, and while I accept this generally as a part of the business we're in, I find it frustrating sometimes that other artists seem to "get away with it" when I don't. For a long time, under the Shooter Rules, I put this down to the fact that I was way off up in Canada, so I could not really make a fuss, while other artists were there in New York, where Shooter would have to face them in person if he messed with their art.
Anyway, whatever the reason, I had to tolerate such things as seeing Dave Cockrum redraw all the faces on my versions of the X-Men in their IRON FIST appearance, even tho that job was my "audition" for the X-MEN book! I had to put up with being ordered to draw Cyclops as big and muscular, even tho I desperately wanted him to be "Slim" Summers again. And so on and so on.
So, basically, it seemed like I was being watched like a hawk, and any variation from "model" was changed -- even as other artists drew "off-model" what seemed like any time they felt like it.
Which bring us to Wolverine's hairy arms. Dave Cockrum had drawn him with hair on his arms -- quite skinny arms, too, back then. Dave's Wolverine was lean and mean -- only when he was out of costume. The impression I got was that the costume had flesh colored sleeves, kinda like the tights Burt Ward wore as Robin. So, when I came to the book, that was how I drew him.
Then George Perez was brought in to draw a cover, and he put hair on Wolverine's arms in costume. And it was not "fixed". So, immediately, I grabbed that chance. I started drawing hair on Wolverine's arms (more and more as time passed), and when Shooter complained that I was "off-model" I pointed to George's cover. (9/14/2007)
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John, how much input did you have with the creation of Sabretooth? I know you commented earlier that you wanted him to be Wolverine's father, but when did you come up with that?
JB: Sabretooth had several "starts". For some time after the character was first introduced as a member of the X-Men, we did not see Wolverine without his mask. One day, doodling for my own amusement, I came up with the face I thought might be hidden from us, and sent it along to Chris (with whom I was working on IRON FIST at the time), Chris, in his usual suave, subtle manner called me up and said "You blew it!" Since this was even without "Hello", my response was a very erudite "Hanh??" "Wolverine's face," said Chris. "You blew it. Dave has already designed a face for him, and it looks nothing like this." Never was quite sure how that qualified as "blowing it", but there you are! Anyway -- later, Chris had an idea for a character called "Sabretooth", and in the process of designing him, I dusted of the "blown" Wolverine face, and used it there. It was probably this that got me thinking of Logan and Sabretooth being somehow related.
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JB: I first encountered Peter Wyngarde, as an actor, on the Avengers episode "A Touch of Brimstone", which dealt with Steed and Emma having an encounter with the Hellfire Club. Later he turned up on a British series called Department S, and its spin-off Jason King (the name of his character). When Chris Claremont decided he wanted to do a Hellfire club arc in UNCANNY X-MEN (he had just seen the above mentioned Avengers episode) as part of the "darkening" of Phoenix, I suggested the "in-joke" of having Mastermind, in his disguised form, resemble Peter Wyngarde and, mixing character and actor, that his name be Jason Wyngarde. (Chris seemed to have some small problem remembering if this was supposed to be Mastermind's real name, or one MM had made up. It is refered to both ways in the story arc.) (9/13/2005)
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JB: If there was ever a story that grew in the telling, it is the "real" tale of how Kitty Pryde came to be! The real Kitty -- who, incidentally, looks nothing like the character -- was a student at the Alberta College of Art, tho were were not classmates. She started after I dropped out to pursue my would-be comics career. She was, however, briefly the girlfriend of one of the guys I knew in another class, and the first time I heard her name I thought "Wow! Comic book name if ever there was one!"
"Feel free to use it when you become a famous cartoonist," she said -- and it might have ended there, had not Jim Shooter one day decided that what made the X-Men different from other superhero teams was that they were a SCHOOL. Never mind that Stan and Jack had graduated the characters a decade before Shooter's edict. Never mind that most (i.e., everyone but Shooter) people thought "feared and hated by the world they are sworn to protect" was what defined the group. Never mind that old hands like Wolverine and Banshee were not likely to submit to "schooling"-- a school they were, Shooter declared, and a school they would be!
In an effort to get around this latest in a long line of arbitrary edicts, I suggested to Chris the idea of a second team, a team of kids, to whom the existing characters would serve as teachers. The kids would sometimes join the main team for adventures (singly or in groups), or even have adventures of their own. Naturally, I wanted them to wear the original black and yellow costumes -- possibly even making them black and white, as legend holds Kirby intended. No one will be much surprised to learn Shooter shot down this idea -- after all, it wasn't his -- calling them "the legion of substitute X-Men" and insisting that we make the existing members the school.
I had, however, already come up with one character -- a unnamed female who was modeled vaguely after a woman who lived down the hall from me in my old apartment house in Calgary. I knew not a whole lot about the character, except that she walked through walls and was Jewish. Then Chris suggested that no matter what she looked like, or what her powers were, we should call her "Thunderbird". (Chris had never gotten over being "forced" to kill the original T'Bird in the "new" X-Men's very first story arc.) Since I prefer character names to tell us something about the character, I didn't like that much, but it did serve to plant the notion of bird names in my mind. I thought of such variants as SparrowHawk and KittyHawk, searching for something that would tell us who the new character was -- and as soon as I scribbled "KittyHawk" on a scrap of paper, I remembered Kitty Pryde, and knew I'd found a place to use that name at last.
This would have been around 1979, or about six years after I'd left the College, or seen or heard anything of the real Kitty. It was only through the chance meeting with another mutual friend that I found out where she was, and sent her the comic and page of artwork. At the time, she was thrilled. None of us knew, when Kitty was "born", what the character would become-alas!!!
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Back in the ART OF JOHN BYRNE book, you talk about how you and Chris Claremont had plans for a "junior team" for the X-Men. Were any of the plans you had with Chris used in the actual NEW MUTANTS book?
JB: The idea of a second team was my way of dealing with Shooter's one-day-it-was-law decision that the most important part of the X-Men mythos was (quoting from the old topcopy) "students of Charles Xavier". Chris and I insisted that it was "feared and hated by the world they are sworn to protect" that defined the X-Men, but Shooter would have none of it. So he insisted that they all be students, and get homework, and get demerits and the whole nine yards. Like Storm and Wolverine and Banshee and Cyclops (who had graduated) would stand for that. So we stalled for a while, and in the interim I came up with Kitty, and the idea of a new team who would be students, and who would sometimes go out on missions with the main team, sometimes have an entire issue to themselves. Shooter rejected this as "the Legion of Substitute X-Men", so we went back to stalling. But Chris and I both liked Kitty, so we introduced her in what was intended to be a two part story. Then Marvel decided they needed a disco character to cash in on the then-current craze, and that, since mutants were deemed popular, she should be a mutant. So Dazzler got shoehorned into Kitty's intro, with Chris and I having absolutely nothing to do with her creation. (And with everyone being told to ignore the fact that there was already an X-Men villain -- the guy who murdered Warren's father, fer chrissake!! -- called "Dazzler".)
Some time later, I left the book, and, as was often the case, Shooter decided the second team was his idea, after all, and therefore a good idea, and thus was born the New Mutants. (Shooter then added insult to injury by asking me to sign something that said I had had nothing to do with the creation of that title, and had no claim to it. I said I would if Chris would also agree that he had no part in the creation of Alpha Flight -- since he didn't!)(5/16/2006)
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Why Marvel let Bob Layton bring Phoenix back, I will never know.
JB: Bob Layton didn't bring her back -- I did. And it was not Phoenix who was brought back, but Jean Grey.
The sequence went something like this: After the Phoenix Saga -- and long before it developed this retroactive titling -- Chris would simply Not Let Go. Not an issue of X-Men passed without SOME reference to Phoenix. (I still remember being annoyed when he wrote the Wendigo-eye-view scene with Nightcrawler in the second Alpha Flight appearance as if it was a sunset (I'd asked Glynis for red tones in my margin notes) and had NC launch into a whole schpiel about how the colors reminded him of Jean, etc, etc. He, of course, should not have been Seeing those colors! Thus the effect of the scene was lost.) Sideways from this, an annoying little eager-beaver fanboy named Kurt Busiek had come up with the idea that Phoenix was not, in fact, Jean, but a precise duplicate created by the Phoenix Force as a "housing" for itself, and the REAL Jean was in suspended animation at the bottom of Jamaica Bay, where the shuttle crashed. When Layton came up with the idea for X-FACTOR, I was reminded of this notion and suggested it would be a way to put Jean back into the group. Shooter agreed, and Roger Stern and I concocted a two part crossover between THE AVENGERS and FANTASTIC FOUR to accomplish just this end.
(Secrets behind the comics: It was at this time that I announced to Marvel, through a letter to boss Mike Hobson, Shooter, and FF editor Mike Carlin -- ah, the days before E-mail!! -- that I had accepted the Superman assignment at DC. The two Mikes wished me luck, which is what you would
expect from professionals. Shooter's response was to suddenly realize that the FF story he had approved at every step, from plot, to pencils, to script -- after all, he had to have all his fingers in this very important pie -- was horribly flawed, and that a good third of it had to be redrawn by Jackson Guice and rewritten by Chris Claremont. Ah, well!! C'est la guerre!) (2/22/98)
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Yeah, but what can you possibly do on a company-owned book that can't be ruined? I mean, they brought back Jean Grey, but that doesn't make reading the story of her death any less poignant.
JB: Well, speaking as the "they" in question, I actually think the death of Phoenix (not Jean) was made even MORE poignant by the revelation that the thing that killed itself was a doppelganger. The story was, after all, about the triumph of the human spirit. By saying Phoenix was not Jean, we now say the human spirit is so powerful that even a COPY will make the ultimate sacrifice when the circumstance demands. Or, at least, that's what it WOULD say, if Chris hadn't kept beating that particular dead horse. (4/1/1998)
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Did you see this series as something that would have been finite, eventually ending (kind of like Gaiman's Sandman)? Were you planning on telling all of the tales of the Hidden Years, between the cancellation of the first series and eventually ending with GIANT-SIZED X-MEN #1?
JB: Between X-MEN 66 and GIANT-SIZED X-MEN 1 we saw several appearances by the X-Men in books such as CAPTAIN AMERICA, AMAZING SPIDER-MAN and MARVEL TEAM-UP. I was using those appearances as benchmarks for my stories, figuring out how much I could comfortably fit between each, in order that I could tell new stories. (As you may have noticed, XHY covers only a couple of weeks of the X-Men's lives -- and that included the "jump" I did in the last issue, in order to take care of a few subplots.)
XHY was clearly finite, since G-SX-M was out there as an "end point" for my series, but the way I had it worked out, I could have easily done 100 issues or more before I had to send the team off to Krakoa.
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As much as I love the book, it isn't selling very well. Some of this is due to the cancellation, but it was never near the top 30. Why?
JB: Just a reminder: Sales were not given as the reason XHY was canceled until fairly recently. The first reason given was that it was "redundant", then it was "confusing" (based on a description that did not match the book), then it was the "least selling X-Book", and finally it was "the worst selling X-Book in history". At a time when no M*rv*l book tops 100,000, XHY's 45,000 seems pretty respectable. Better than SPIDER-GIRL, for instance, which has been "saved" from cancellation.
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