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Roger A Ott II
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I completely understand what you're saying. As I was scratching out that drawing, I kept thinking, "something doesn't look quite right" but I knew the way I was drawing wasn't technically wrong. Thanks for giving me the explanation that I've been missing.
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Simon Matthew Park
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How to draw comics the Marvel way is really helpful. You may have heard of this one, Nathaniel, but George B. Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life has been helpful to me (in terms of positioning the human figure in percieved space), as well as Hogarth's Dynamic Light and Shade.
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Mario Ruiz
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JB
How do you lay down your grids to give you all the funky angles? When you
lay down your grids do you measure from a particular distance? Do you lay
down points then cross over them?
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John Byrne
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I use an architect's drafting machine...
...which is actually designed for drawing parallel lines, but which rotates on a central hub, so is a handy tool for drawing perspective grids.
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Brian Miller
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I had one of those for about 10 years. The place my Dad works was getting rid of it and he brought it home for me to use. I never really learned to use it and got rid of it around 10 years ago. It wasn't weighted down at the bottom very well and the slighted pressure put on it while drawing would cause it to tip over.
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Roger A Ott II
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I picked up a drafting table about a year ago for $50 from my boss's father. This thing has a 4-foot wide tabletop with a lightboard built in, and the entire thing is attached to steel desk with height and tilt adjustment. It's probably thirty years old, but the Mutoh drafting machine that's attached to the board still works like a charm.
This is probably the best investment in my artistic side that I've ever made...well, except for actually sitting down and drawing, that is.
Be warned, though. Those drafting machines don't come cheap. Nice thing is they require little to no maintenance and will last you a lifetime under normal conditions.
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Guest79877180
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Another way is that you can lay out your grid in Illustrator or Photoshop and throw it on a lightbox.
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Roger A Ott II
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Honestly, all you really need is a straightedge and a pencil. I posted a pic further upthread of a quick perspective I drew sitting at an office desk with nothing more than a metric scale ruler and a standard #2 lead pencil.
Drafting machines are nice, but not absolutely necessary. Like most everything else in art, use what works best for you.
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John Byrne
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Those drafting machines don't come cheap. Nice
thing is they require little to no maintenance and will
last you a lifetime under normal conditions.
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Yes, I've had mine for about 30 years now.
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Honestly, all you really need is a straightedge and a
pencil.
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Forced to disagree, Rog. A straightedge will never
do the job as efficiently as a drafting machine. For
one thing, there is the problem of anchoring the
rotation point. Fine if you're vanishing points are on
the page. Once they are off it, especially if they are
WAY off it, as mine usually are, something more
adaptable is needed. The drafting machine, thru a
bit of sleight of hand, allows me to work to vanishing
points that would be YARDS off to one side.
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Roger A Ott II
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JB: Forced to disagree, Rog. A straightedge will never do the job as efficiently as a drafting machine.
As efficiently, no, but it can be done if necessary. I used nothing more than a 2-1/2 foot straightedge for years until I got the drafting machine. It's not easy, but it's possible. Of course, I wasn't drawing comics, either. My vanishing points were always on the page.
If a guy can afford a drafting machine, I'd say you'll never regret it.
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