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Trevor Krysak
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"When exactly was Alicia substituted by a Skrull? "
Supposedly it was during the Secret War when Ben, Reed and Johnny were gone if I recall correctly. She then pursues Johnny, once she learns Ben is away, to stay close to the Fantastic Four. That sneak!
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Andrew Hess
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Really, Trevor? That doeesn't sound at all like the story I remember JB writing. Guess I should look up those issues again.
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Robert White
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I believe that was a retcon. A very stupid retcon.
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Victor Rodgers
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It came out in the issue with the big skrull reveal. Man I swear Defalco's FF is one of the most devisive topics I have seen on a good message board. People who agree on everything else and get along fine until the topic of Defalco's FF comes up. Then the blood flows.
Me I enjoy his run on the book but can see why others would hate it.
Back to the Avengers West Coast. I truly hated the Goverment people that took the Vision apart more than I have hated any super villian. I wanted Wonder Man to tear them to shreads. The fact the Avengers could not stop them or avenge the Vision was maddening for me.
Thats the sign of a job well done.
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John Byrne
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DeFalco wrote some of the best Spider-Man of the
post-Stern years, but he seemed totally out of his
depth on the FF. The Alicia/Skrull thing was one of
the worst examples of "comicbook writing" I have
ever seen -- and I have seen some stinkers. It might
be perfectly "realistic" in context for Alicia to turn out
to be a Skrull, but that does not mean it makes for a
good story development.
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Howard Mackie
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<<I was offered AWC first, as writer and artist.>>
And as I like to remind everyone... I asked John to do
the book, he accepted, and within the next two weeks I
had those first two issues penciled and scripted on my
desk. Am I exagerating, Pops?
Howard
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Elliot Smith
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QUOTE:
The Alicia/Skrull thing was one of
the worst examples of "comicbook writing" I have
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That and the Gwen Stacey rape are by far my two least favorite retcons of all time. I've been rereading those She-Hulk era issues, and I'm having a hard time believing that Alicia is a Skrull. I always liked the Johnny/Alicia romance, and that Skrull thing certainly suck a lot of air out of that particular storyline.
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Brian Miller
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Howard Mackie wrote:
...and within the next two weeks I
had those first two issues penciled and scripted on my
desk... |
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Is there any other word than "wow" that would describe this? For some artists, it seems like it takes two weeks just to get the motivation to start drawing.
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Dave Carr
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Elliot Smith wrote:
| That and the Gwen Stacey rape are by far my two least favorite retcons of all time. |
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Admittedly, I did not read the Sins Past story, and I'm assuming you're referring to it here.
Gwen wasn't raped, was she? I thought the whole problem with this retcon was that she willingly slept with Norman Osborne.
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Howard Mackie
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<<Is there any other word than "wow" that would describe this?>>
Actually... given that I had just retruned from a 2 week vacation... I beleive that was the first word out of my mouth.
<< For some artists, it seems like it takes two weeks just to get the motivation to start drawing.>>
Pro/amateur... you choose.
Howard
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Brian Miller
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Pro/amateur... you choose
**************
Point.
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Mike Farley
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DeFalco wrote some of the best Spider-Man of the
post-Stern years, but he seemed totally out of his
depth on the FF. The Alicia/Skrull thing was one of
the worst examples of "comicbook writing" I have
ever seen -- and I have seen some stinkers. It might
be perfectly "realistic" in context Byrne Robotics: West Coast Avengers #44 questionfor Alicia to turn out
to be a Skrull, but that does not mean it makes for a
good story development.
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AND it was pretty much an exact rip-off of a storyline that ran in LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES a few years earlier where Shrinking Violet was replaced by a shapeshifting Durlan spy who faked falling in love (with Colossal Boy), actually fell in love wiht him, turned on the villians, and became an ally of the team.
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