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David Blot
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(today it was a bunch of french Gil Jourdan TPBs...).
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Oh man, Gil Jourdan by Tillieux, I think it's one the best 50-60's comic !
Vastly underrated, I'm glad some of his material is avalaible in Portugal. Do
you also know Felix ? That was an earlier version of Gil Jourdan. Lots of
books; in b&w only.
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Pedro Bouça
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Well, Gil Jourdan is not really avaliable in Portugal. I buy the french
Integrales (that would be the french equivalent for comic TPBs). Have
read only the first one and loved it! Two other are already on my
reading pile.
Felix is reprinted by Niffle, isn't it? I understand it was Tillieux'
favorite character. It's a bit harder to find Niffle books here, but I
intend to buy it as soon as I finish my Gil Jourdan collection!
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Fabrice Renault
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Gaaaahhhh!!!! Gil Jourdan!
I used to have the first 2 volumes of the integrales,but I sold those years ago when I needed money to pay for my studies in Japan.
I will buy them again somewhen.
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Jason Fulton
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Europe sounds like it has the best comics culture in the world. What do you guys think is the difference between them and the US when it comes to that?
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Pedro Bouça
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The countries in Europe don't have a single, unified comics culture.
Comics evolved in many different ways on each european nation.
The place people usually think about when talking about european
comics, France, invested sooner on high-quality bookstore editions
("albums") and had comics recognized as an artform long ago. That
certainly helped.
I would say that having almost all comic series creator-owned was also
a factor. Artists were always trying to do the "next big thing",
instead of working on established properties. So we don't have a bunch
of guys doing, say, substandard Tintin comics nowadays, they are
working on their own creations! If they are good, they have a chance of
becoming a Tintin-like best seller (OK, a slim chance). If they are
bad, the creators involved usually drop out of the industry, instead
of, say, creating a story about how Tintin's former dead girlfriend had
sex with Tintin's greatest enemy...
Note that all those things weren't french inventions. They were
developed in Belgium, France just followed its smaller neighbour.
That's why they are called french-belgian comics!
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Jacob P Secrest
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From what I've heard is that if Spider-Girl gets cancelled, they'll even stop
making the trades.
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Zaki Hasan
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From what I've heard is that if Spider-Girl gets cancelled, they'll even stop
making the trades.
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I don't see why they would...the trades do very well in bookstores, and they were the only reason the book lasted as long as it did...to give them more material to reprint. If they stop the collections, then the years of keeping the book alive despite its low sales will have been in vain, because there won't be any upside for Marvel.
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David Blot
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Could not say better, Pedro.
To emphasise :
let's say Superman is the biggest US comic book icon.
Tintin which is Belgium, the biggest european one.
24 TIntin stories all done by Herge in nearly 60 years time (talk about
delays :) )
How many zillion stories of Superman there was ?
But each Tintin's stories worldwide had sold more than one year of
superman's stories in US. Really.
The same with Spider-Man vs Asterix
Batman vs Blueberry etc etc...
What would that mean for US super hero ? It would have mean that
nobody will have made Spider-Man after Ditko (too bad for ROmita), and
nobody the FF after Kirby,
but that also that many many more millions people would have read the
same stories, and that they would be always be avalaible, and not only in
expensive Masterworks hardcover, but cheaper and in every Wall-Mart
with a book section or in your basic bookstore, in every part of the
States.
I hope I was clear enough :)
Edited by David Blot on 12 March 2006 at 8:52pm
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David Blot
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Wich means - by extension, in this 'what if US books were made / sold a
la European ?" scenario,
that there would be none of these, sometimes non-sense, discussion
about how Marvel are actually trashing the works of previous artists,
when the only job Marvel would have to do now, is to still sell the same
Kirby stories.
I mean, the arguing fans of Tintin have against his editor (in this case :
Casterman), is that sometimes they do change the paper of the 'album'.
And that would be a big issue. Don't even think about changing the logo,
the covers, etc... Herge is the only one who put any change to the
presentation of the book, and since he is dead, nobody touch !
Edited by David Blot on 12 March 2006 at 8:57pm
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John Griggs Jr
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If Marvel was smart they'd do a Spider-Girl cartoon. To get more
mileage out the title. Seems like girls don't have that many
superheroes to look up to. I'm sure boys would watch if they were
plenty of cool villians and what not. Too bad most
cartoons have went to anime style. God, I miss cartoons.
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Victor Rodgers
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I thought the same thing. But there has never been a great Spider-Man cartoon (the Fox onewas very good to mediocre at various points). So I doubt they would ever do a Spider-Girl cartoon, or if they did do it correctly.
The funny thing is Spider-Man would be simple to do. The first 150 issues would be simple to adapt to a tv show. The same thing goes for Spider-Girl. Actually I would say that is true for many of the Marvel comics..
Edited by Victor .R. Rodgers on 12 March 2006 at 10:15pm
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David Blot
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Victor wrote : The dunny thing is Spider-Man would be simple to do. The
first 150 issues would be simple to adapt to a tv show. The same thing
goes for Spider-Girl. Actually I would say that is true for many of the
Marvel comics..
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Concerning comic book adaptation in cartoon.
Funny thing since we were also speaking about Tintin.
All the 24 Tintin books were adaptated in cartoons. They didnt make any
change regarding the book. The same. That didnt make them good
cartoons though.
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