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Kevin Pierce
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I read some stuff on the net, is there a trade of the early Miracleman [Moore/Gaiman] stories? What ever happen to this character, last I heard he was going to appear in a Spawn title.

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There are trade paperbacks of the Miracleman comics, but they are all out of print and thus expensive and hard to get ahold of. Reprints aren't forthcoming because the rights to the series are tied up in Legal Limbo.

Todd McFarlane thought that he had the rights to Miracleman, and planned to have him appear in Spawn. After a court battle with Neil Gaiman it became clear that he doesn't, and the character who was going to be revealed as Miracleman is now "The Man of Miracles" who bares a resemblance to Miracleman but isn't him. No. Not at all.

Neil Gaiman hopes to resolve the rights issues and continue the series at Marvel, but the legal limbo that the rights are in is so complicated that I doubt it will happen for some years.

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Gaiman want's to take Miracleman to Marvel, will he change the name back to Marvelman?

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Is Spawn still being published?
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Last I heard, McFarlane was selling the rights to TOP COW comics, haven't heard anything since than

Here is a design I found on the net that MacFarlane did of Miracleman



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I have some very fond memories of MarvelMan, from when I was a child in England. I don't suppose I read more than a small handful of stories, but I remember enjoying them. It's a shame, then, to see characters like this fall into the hands of the deconstructionists -- especially someone like Moore, who seems to really have no story to tell beyond "everything you know is a lie".

Some characters, surely, are not meant to be "darkened"?

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Can you deconstruct the deconstruct?

There was an issue of Planetary where the main characters attend the funeral of a John Constantine-esque character, with a plethora of 80s British-style characters there to pay respects. They begin to investigate the death and discover a Marvel-Man type character "killed" him (turns out to have faked his death). The "Marvel-Man" character had gone quite mad, lamenting that he had been retconned, been made darker and edgier, had his sexual preference muddled with, and had his origin changed several times to, each more bizarre and kinky than the last. And he maintains he didn't need any of it, and if he hadn't been popular anymore, they should have just let him disappear.

This is all wrapped up in some explination of how Thatcher-era England was the cause of zanny Brithish comics.

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"It's a shame, then, to see characters like this fall into the hands of the deconstructionists -- especially someone like Moore, who seems to really have no story to tell beyond "everything you know is a lie"."

Isn't that a rather hard generalisation. Moore has written countless comic books that don't use that particular formula. I can only think of his Swamp Thing run that fits with that description.

Have you checked up "Top Ten", "Tomorrow Stories", or "Big Numbers"? None of these books are about established characters, and they are fun books indeed.
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I can only think of his Swamp Thing run that fits with that description.

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Apparently you have not read "MiracleMan" or "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" or "Watchmen". To name but three.

Hard generalization? I have trouble thinking of any Moore stories that do not, at their heart, deconstruct characters or genres, and turn them inside out.

Or did James Barrie really intend for Wendy Darling to be in porn comics?

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This is all wrapped up in some explination of how Thatcher-era England was the cause of zanny Brithish comics.

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Something happened to England after I left. The people who had fought thru the Blitz, survied Dunkirk, produced Shakespeare, carved an empire upon which the sun never set --- morphed into a nation of nihilistic whiners. "Fascist England", a term that could be coined only by someone who had never personally experienced Fascism.

What the %#^# happened?

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I have read those comics (except for MiracleMan though), and my point is that I think only Swamp Thing stands out as it fits with your "lie"-concept. Extraordinary Gentlemen, Wathcmen doesn't tell you that the previous stories were false, but expands upon the characters and show new sides of them. Giving, not taking or erasing.

As for Lost Girls, it'd be fun to see how that turned out. Personally, if the comic book is good and give me a great reader experience, I don't care if the topic is a sodomizing Peter Pan or whatever.

Shouldn't we look at a comic book on its own merits, instead of just complaining about whatever "violation" it brings to older characters?
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Moore's runs on Captain Britain and WildC.A.T.S. also pulled the "lie" trick.

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