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Matt Reed
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 JohnMietus wrote:
Grandiose, uninformed sweeping generalizations, on the other hand...

...may not make you come across like an idiot, but do tend to further a
reputation for being an asshole.

For example.

[edited to add] I know I qualify in that category. Others might, too. I'm just
sayin'.

True, but I think it's better to talk about the points you don't agree with or call out those grandiose, uninformed, sweeping generalizations rather than falling back on the easy out of name calling.

I'm just sayin'.

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Touché.
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If JB closes a thread or revokes membership it can come off looking immature (packing up your toys and going home kind of thing), turn people off, etc.

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Let's force ourselves to remember, for just a wee little moment, that this board is "my toys", and if I see someone refusing to play nicely with the other kids, or breaking the toys, I kick 'em out of the playroom. Tell me you would do otherwise.

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Still making headlines.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13
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Touché.

Is that the normal conversational fencing version of touché or the really strange one introduced in recent mac commercials?



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J.B. WROTE: Let's force ourselves to remember, for just a wee little moment, that this board is "my toys", and if I see someone refusing to play nicely with the other kids, or breaking the toys, I kick 'em out of the playroom. Tell me you would do otherwise.

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UMMMM ....he shoot's......he score's.........i think that sums up that blast!!!!!!



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 Emery Calame wrote:
Is that the normal conversational fencing version of
touché or the really strange one introduced in recent mac commercials?


I'm a Mac user. So, the normal conversational fencing version.
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Matt Reade stated: This board isn't PC. I like it that way. I think most do.

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Screw you, you Bush-hating, tree-hugging commie!
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I think I might add my 2 cents here.

When I first saw this board I'll admit I was a little cautious about joining as it did seem like a 'dictatorship' (if lack of a better word). I saw a lot of crap written about this place so I poked around.

All I saw is a bunch of mates talkiing, laughing and having a good time. Sure I don't agree with everything that Byrne says but really is he not a person with different thoughts and experiences than my own?

So I joined here and as I've mentioned before this and www.normbreyfogle.com are the only places I post now. You can say that I have 'seen the light' lol when it comes to the trolls and morons on some of the other boards.

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JB,

Didn't mean to sound condescending. Unfortunate choice of words is as good as any way to describe that last sentence. Thought about chopping it out but I had spent enough time writing that I just posted and left it as is.

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Thanks to those who objected to me being called an idiot for expressing an opinion.

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JD,

You strike me as a person who, like myself, would rather people get along and who winds up playing the peacemaker/negotiator, or attempting to. I have given up on Marvel comics awhile ago, only occaisionally picking up something due to the creators involved. The point about JB making a triumphant return to Marvel as comics royalty is interesting and plausible. From what I hear we are about to see the triumphant return of Neal Adams at DC. I buy into the argument that it would be worthwhile for JB to open lines of communication just because I'm that kind of guy and that's what I'd try to do, even if I've been burned before. The good that can come from it outweighs the bad.

JB, I'm not sure how Quesada ever got such a job with such limited expereince. You ever see yourself in an Editor or EIC type role? You are a veteran and from what I've read you have very clear ideas on how characters should be handled. I could easily see you as group Superman editor or something along those lines.

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Relating to the original topic I suppose...did anyone catch Mark Waids sort-of apology to JB on newsarama?  Perhaps it's meaningless, but it seems like someone who is truly embarassed for his behavior.  Or wants good PR, heh.
Here, fourth reply.
Of course, none of this will stop the new nonsensical trend of calling JB a racist, which I can't for the life of me fathom.
*edited for clarity.


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JD,

You strike me as a person who, like myself, would rather people get along and who winds up playing the peacemaker/negotiator, or attempting to. I have given up on Marvel comics awhile ago, only occaisionally picking up something due to the creators involved. The point about JB making a triumphant return to Marvel as comics royalty is interesting and plausible. From what I hear we are about to see the triumphant return of Neal Adams at DC. I buy into the argument that it would be worthwhile for JB to open lines of communication just because I'm that kind of guy and that's what I'd try to do, even if I've been burned before. The good that can come from it outweighs the bad.

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There is an old saying, and I learned how true it was first hand. Pride comes before the fall. It doesn't matter. in most cases, who was wrong and who was right, unless we are talking about rape, murder, theft, etc... The rest is pretty easy to get over. It only takes an effort to do so.

I do believe that John Byrne should step up to the plate, if that's what it takes, and that IS obviously what it's going to take. I like the guy, and I'm sick of seeing the drama queens take it to him on a daily basis like they do, but it's not going to stop, so the ball is in his court to make a few changes, and opening up communications with Marvel again would be a step in the right direction. I think that's what most people would like, including Marvel.

Let's face it, who can blame any "outsider" from thinking it's Byrne's fault. How many times has he had these tifs with "the powers that be"? Even current regimes couldn't be blamed for looking at the track record that Byrne's had in that regard, and thinking that Byrne's got an attitude problem. I say this as somebody who supports him being pissed about what happened. There comes a time when he's going to have to be a good will ambassador if he wants to rectify that perception and rebuild the bridges that have been "Byrned".

There is absolutely nothing wrong or nothing "guilty" about taking leadership to make a bad situation better. With Jack Kirby and John Buscema no longer with us, John Byrne should right now be the "father figure" and institution in the Marvel ranks, highly respected by all, and always there to give advice to artists wanting to pick his brain for the wealth of knowledge about the medium and craft that he has. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen unless some steps are taken. John does come off as bitter and as if he has contempt for creators who are having their moment in the sun, and I wish he had a different approach. It's not like any of them will ever accomplish as much as he has, they are just top dogs right now. Someday, they'll just be a memory, not a legend like JB is, and I wish he would do some things to uphold his legend status, because I hate seeing something that was so hard to obtain, be reduced to nothing more than mockery. For Christ's sake, they call him "old balls" now.

It's come to the point where it doesn't matter anymore about who's right and who's wrong, the mockery will never go away unless John Byrne takes the bull by the horns. He's a good guy, he's just opinionated and misunderstood by many. It's not so far gone that it can't be fixed, and yes, I'd like to help out in anyway I can, but I can only do so much. I think it's very possible that John Byrne could mend bridges at Marvel, gain respect of his biggest critics in the process, and be welcomed back to Marvel with open arms, while being attached to a project there that reminds everybody of just why he became a legend, as well as introducing a whole new generation to his great Marvel work.

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Relating to the original topic I suppose...did anyone catch Mark Waids sort-of apology to JB on newsarama? Perhaps it's meaningless, but it seems like someone who is truly embarassed for his behavior. Or wants good PR, heh.
Here, fourth reply.
Of course, none of this will stop the new nonsensical racist trend, which I can't for the life of me fathom.

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Wow, that was just what I was talking about, taking a step that you don't "have" to, but doing it anyway, trying to make a bad situation better. Kudos to mark Waid! My respect for him just went up a great deal. Everybody says things they shouldn't sometimes, so it's forgiveable, especially when they apologize.
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If only they spent more time create stories instead of drama. maybe just maybe

the industry would not be suffering the way it is.!

just a thought..................

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JD - I'm sorry you gave the column by that Scumbag Johnsona link.

Curious thing is, the relevant section of his column is the longest, drawn out item in his column, and not really newsworthy. Unless you like to drag JB's name thru the mud. Which this Scumbag of a columnist does nearly *every* week.

(Check thru the last, say, three months and see how many weeks he *doesn't* bring up Byrne; and then see how often it is negatively, or to have a laugh at JB's expense. Not that he has an axe to grind, I'm sure.)

(And I call him a Scumbag knowing what that word means, and noticing that when he *is* called a Scumbag he doesn't link the thread to his column.)

 

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I do believe that John Byrne should step up to the
plate

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John Byrne is tried of stepping up to the plate. John
Byrne is tired of "doing the right thing" and getting
f**ked up the ass for his troubles. John Byrne is
tired of being lied to. John Byrne is tired of
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"Pride comes before the fall."

It's the people who have no dignity who mistake self-respect for pride.
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The only question i have is: Why Mr. Byrne must locate JoeQ? can it be the other way around?. If i did learn something in geometry, is that the shortest distance between to points is a straight line, and is the same distance between point A to B, as to B to A.
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I'm thinking a moratorium on career advice would be a good idea.  I'm sure if JB feels he needs any he'll

A) ask for it

or

B) ask one of his friends inside or outside of the industry

I'm sure in some cases it's coming from the right place, but it still is very condescending.
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I have questions;

Is Mr Morrow extending an olive branch in lieu of JoeQ since he keeps dropping his name? Who is JD Morrow?

Does he seriously expect JB to go to JoeQ, hat in hand, asking for work and let bygones be bygones? I've seen little more than left-handed (nothing against you lefties out there) compliments from JoeQ about JB's stuff.

Unless JoeQ publishes an article titled "How I screwed John Byrne and I sincerely apologize" I wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him.

 

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John Byrne is tried of stepping up to the plate. John
Byrne is tired of "doing the right thing" and getting
f**ked up the ass for his troubles. John Byrne is
tired of being lied to. John Byrne is tired of
you.

George likes his chicken spicy!

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George: I'll tell you what I'm doing. I want to buy eight hot dogs and eight hot dog buns to go with them. But no one sells eight hot dog buns. They only sell twelve hot dog buns. So I end up paying for four buns I don't need. So I am removing the superfluous buns. Yeah. And you want to know why? Because some big-shot over at the wiener company got together with some big-shot over at the bun company and decided to rip off the American public. Because they think the American public is a bunch of trusting nit-wits who will pay for everything they don't need rather than make a stink. Well they're not ripping of this nitwit anymore because I'm not paying for one more thing I don't need. George Banks is saying NO!

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How about we let John Byrne worry about John Byrne. John Byrne has been a professional comic book artist for decades and is responsible for some of the most successful comics of the last three decades. He has an insight into not only his situation with Marvel, but an insight iinto the industry that few have, even other professionals.

All of these advice givers don't really know sh!t about the inner workings of this industry. Byrne does. Case closed.
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Given that I have never worked in the comic industry myself, I personally would advise John Byrne to avoid following (or even soliciting) any career advice from me pertaining to the comic industry.

I'm just sayin'.
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Somebody said to JD Morrow:
You strike me as a person who, like myself, would rather people get along and who winds up playing the peacemaker/negotiator, or attempting to.

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JD, if that is an accurate description of you, we are brothers of a kind. It absolutely pains me when two people I like, or know, or respect, or any combination of all, dislike each other. I'm the kind of schmuck who believes that if you can't love someone in spite of their faults, love them because of their faults. That attitude has served me well over half a century on this planet. We will have detractors. We will have to suffer fools gladly. We will have to eat some shit. Like JB we will be screwed over and worse: disappointed. However, when I look in the mirror I like the person looking back. It doesn't work for everyone, and that's okay, but it works for me. I hope it works for you and that you know you are not alone. 

JB, you are your own man and I respect that more than you might think reading the above. It takes all kinds to make a world. Though our public personalities and personal philosophies appear as different as Cathy and Patty Lane's, there is always an honoured place for a person of your accomplishment in my world. As to all the advice you seem to be getting let me just say, "Do your own thing". Yes, we all care, but we're not your parents and you seem to have done pretty well so far without our "nannying".

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