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John Byrne
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I was told by the owner that in no uncertain terms if
*M* got wind of it, they'd cut ties to that store...was
that true?
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That was not true.
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Steve Horton
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Yeah, and look at 'em now. What has the Comics Journal done for the industry lately, except for griping?
Their parent company gave us those beautiful Peanuts books (and will soon be doing Dennis the Menace books just like them) but what has TCJ done?
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John Byrne
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...what has TCJ done?
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Given a whole bunch of pseudo-intellectual "fans"
the model for their not-so-original thinking.
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Howard Mackie
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<<I was told by the owner that in no uncertain terms if
*M* got wind of it, they'd cut ties to that store...was
that true?
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That was not true.>>
I'll second that as someone who worked on staff at Marvel
at the time. THAT would have taken much more
organizational abilty, communication and foresight that
Marvel was capable of. I often marvel(no pun intended) at
the how much credit is given to the big publishers.
Howard
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John Byrne
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What we see in this retailer's confused attitude is something of the mentality the internet would come to foster greatly. It's the Crusaders, here seen as "I would be a Crusader, but the Big Bad Company would GET me! (Ain't I special?)"It's pretty pathetic, all things considered. Actually, it's pathetic even if you consider nothing else!
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Matt Hawes
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John O'Conner wrote:
| ...I remember this petition well, and often wondered why aren’t any other Marvel artist’s signing it? When I asked my local store if they were going to post one, I was told by the owner that in no uncertain terms if *M* got wind of it, they'd cut ties to that store... |
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Heck, if publicly criticizing the policies of certain publishers causes them to cut off ties, I'm pretty much sunk.
I wasn't open in 1986 (I was still in high school), but I doubt what that retailer says would've happened.
Edited to fix quote.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 15 August 2006 at 10:16am
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Neil Welch
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Are you the questioner from the other board, Neil?
I am not! This thread left me wondering as to why you didn't sign it.
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Brian Hunt
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Jason, use the Force to get the original person who asked the question to come here a put forth the question once more so that we all may know the answer. Use phrases like "What are ya? Chicken?" and loud clucking noises if you must.
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Wallace Sellars
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Good grief...
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Ian M. Palmer
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I'm sure JB's posted about this before. My impression is that JB's view was that most of Kirby's work was done as work-for-hire and belonged to Marvel, full stop. I can sympathise with that view, but I'm horrified at the idea that, say, Siegel and Schuster could come up with one of the most enduring fictional creations of modern times and receive no proportionate reward. The terms at the time might have been such-and-such, but still don't seem fair.
IMP.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Ian M. Palmer wrote:
| I'm sure JB's posted about this before. My impression is that JB's view
was that most of Kirby's work was done as work-for-hire and belonged to
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I couldn't find anything via searching, googling, or checking the FAQ,
so I asked. At any rate, my understanding is that the petition
was specifically about the return of Kirby's original art, not the
broader issues of whether or not he was unfairly compensated or ripped off for
his creations (I know JB's position on those issues).
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 15 August 2006 at 7:01pm
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Ian M. Palmer
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I could be wrong. It happened once before, allegedly.
IMP.
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