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Cory Vandernet
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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 12:30am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I was cleaning out my studio closet today and stumbled onto this. Cyclops robot? Any memories? I racked my brains and drew a blank.

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I don't recall the Cyclops robot -- but three things leap out at me immediately. First is how small the Dark Phoenix storyline was at that point. Second is that "breather" planned for 145. That was one of a Chris' odder notions, on both IRON FIST and X-MEN -- that after building to some cataclysmic point we should "step back" and "allow the readers to catch their breath". Since "every issue is the first issue for somebody" had already been thoroughly pounded into my skull, I never entirely agreed with this idea. What if the "breather" is the point at which a flock of people decide to check out the issue for the first time? Not knowing this is a change of pace issue, will they be inspired to come back?

Something else that jumps out at me is the "death of Mariko" referece. That was going to be a hugely powerful story. In fact, when this list was made, with the death of Phoenix not even in the cards yet, it was probably the most powerful story we had planned.

(Those interested in Cosmic Events can note that I somehow managed to leave out issue 143 from the list. In 1979, when I jotted all this down, I had no way of knowing that would be my last issue!)

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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 5:03am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Four issues planned for the Cyclops Robot, and no recollection at all?
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Troy Nunis
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i once knew someone who insisted Cyclops was a robot -- as proof of this, he produced an issue where Cyclops says he was Programed by Prof. X . . . yes, i've known some stupid people.

Very intersting list to look back at - to see how things were planned differant.

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Arcade II is were I began to follow the serie. But here in France we got it in December 1981.
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Ian Evans
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Who's Ariel?
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Ariel is Shadowcat.
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Brian Sagar
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Just curious...  What would/could you do for a 'breather' issue?  Are breather issues why we ended up with, for example, the X-Men playing baseball (post-JB)? 

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That cyclops saying I'm a robot programed by Prof X is awesome. They should use that. I just read art of JB lately, and the X-Men were suposed to fight a mix of Ultron and the Sentinels right? 
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Dave Carr
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I was about to ask what Sabretooth would have looked like if JB had co-created him, and then suddenly remembered that he did in Iron Fist.  He's been so wound up in the X-Men mythos since the Mutant Massacre storyline that I forgot he was originally an Iron Fist villain.
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Bloody hell! What a great little scrap of paper to happen upon!
And what an interesting series of stories this would have been to read:
the team splits up, the X-Men vs Ultron, etc.

I wonder how much those comics are selling in that alternate universe
where they were published?

And on the matter of "breather" issues, I thought the "X-Men in Japan"
was a sort of breather issue, in that it was a single issue story that acted
as a break between "X-Men in the Savage Land" and "X-Men vs Alpha
Flight," and all that was happening between those story lines.

And Cory, is this JB's writing or someone else's?
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Cory Vandernet
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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 9:13am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

It's John's hand-writing on a page ripped from one of his old sketchbooks. It's not from the one I own or I'd have remembered it. So this page hasn't seen the light of day for some 27 years.

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Gregg Allinson
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Four issues planned for the Cyclops Robot, and no recollection at all?

Dude, it was over 25 years ago!

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Gregg Allinson
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That cyclops saying I'm a robot programed by Prof X is awesome.

You have an interesting definition of the word "awesome", my friend.

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Jason Fulton
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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 9:22am | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Have you ever used Ultron in a story, JB?

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Roger A Ott II
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Wow, if Mariko had been killed (by Sabretooth, I imagine), that would have probably spared us the Wolverine as failed samurai notion that became the mantra after the WOLVERINE limited series.

Also, was there a planned prior relationship between Wolverine and Sabretooth?

Cool stuff to find lying around, Cory.

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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 9:33am | IP Logged | 17 post reply

Once again, I love this forum!

Thanks for sharing this gem, Cory. Very interesting indeed.

I would have been thrilled to read a X-Men/Avengers cross-over, or an X-
Men #150 by Claremont/Byrne/Austin!
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David Whiteley
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Cory, this paper makes me envious as well as curious. Death of Mariko (Claremont DID love Clavell's "Shogun", didn't he?), death of Sabretooth? Wow!
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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 9:43am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

"Bloody hell! What a great little scrap of paper to
happen upon!"

I must confess, clicking on this link and suddenly
seeing that scan made me feel a little faint. It's like if
someone showed you the original setlist from the
most legendary concert ever performed by your
favorite band. I second the "Bloody hell!" sentiment.

"And on the matter of "breather" issues, I thought the
"X-Men in Japan" was a sort of breather issue, in that
it was a single issue story that acted
as a break between "X-Men in the Savage Land" and
"X-Men vs Alpha
Flight," and all that was happening between those
story lines."

The X-Men in Japan lasted two issues. Andrew, you
may be thinking of the "X-Men in a boat" issue that
was mostly dedicated to the Prof. X/Amahl Farouk
flashback. *That* was a single issue that came in
between the Savage Land arc and the two part
Japan/Moses Magnum arc.

(Following the format of the above list, it went:

111 -- Mesmero
112 -- Magneto I
113 -- Magneto II
114 -- Savage Land I
115 -- Savage Land II (Sauron)
116 -- Savage Land III (Garrokk)
117 -- X-Men in the Ocean / Prof. X flashback
118 -- X-Men in Japan I
119 -- X-Men in Japan II
120 -- Alpha Flight I
121 -- Alpha Flight II
122 -- "Breather"?/Aracade prologue)
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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 10:08am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

I'm curious what would have happened in issue #143
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I mentioned in another thread, I would have traded all of Sabretooth's subsequent appearances to have read the Claremont/Byrne story with his death.  The Magneto-Phoenix #150 sounds like it would have been pretty awesome as well.  
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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega
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Wow...that sheet of unused plots gives an idea of what would have happened if you had stayed on the book until #150!!!...Thanks for sharing Mr. Byrne!

Now i'm wondering what other wonderful secrets are keep in that closet!

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Does anyone else think for one hell of an artist JB's handwriting was kinda scruffy..?
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Cory Vandernet
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Something else I found in the closet.

A little back-story, back in the day JB used to visit Grandpa Takes A Trip Comic-shop once in a while. When John broke the news that Mariko was going to die and Wolverine was going to kill Sabertooth out of revenge, the last few panels of the last page of the first part were to be of Wolverine cradling Mariko's body and the last panel was Wolverine raising his head with an expression of grief and hatred. I asked John what that would look like and he drew this free-hand with a ballpoint pen. At first he drew a tear welling up in the corner of his eye thought better of it and penned over it.

 

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Holy Crap!  That's some major emotion in that scribble. 
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