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Kevin Hagerman
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Amen.  He almost played like a drummer at times - slip in, dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s and get out.
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My edition of the Armado Gallo book has pictures from the Mama Tour - that's the last edition I know of. It is indeed a wonderful book, altho my binding on it was problematic. Maybe I just read it too much!







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Same problem with the binding for the Gallo.  And it must be "catching" - my booklet for the first box set ALSO had shoddy binding!
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Genesis is just too big to be contained by mere binding!
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The only thing holding my Gallo book together is the stitching, otherwise it would be completely apart.

I try not to look at the booklet in the first box set too closely, it feels like it just may fall apart.
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Ah yes ... I loved that book!!!

Never saw the Mama edition, though ... !

[immediately clicks over to Amazon]

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Favorite songs from the studio albums:

  • Trespass - The Knife
  • Nursery Cryme - Musical Box
  • Foxtrot - Supper's Ready
  • Selling England by the Pound - The Battle of Epping Forest
  • The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - The Carpet Crawlers (Yeah, surprised myself too)
  • A Trick of The Tail - Squonk
  • Wind and Wuthering - Eleventh Earl of Mar
  • And Then There Were Three - Ballad of Big
  • Duke - Man of Our Times
  • Abacab - Dodo/Lurker
  • Genesis - Silver Rainbow
  • Invisible Touch - Anything She Does
  • We Can't Dance - Living Forever
  • Calling All Stations - Uncertain Weather

Edited to add the inexplicably missing We Can't Dance.  I must have lost it when I went to the bullet points.



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OK, I'll play.
Using your list and inserting my picks.
Added We Can't Dance to your list.

  • Trespass - White Mountain
  • Nursery Cryme - The Musical Box
  • Foxtrot - Supper's Ready
  • Selling England by the Pound - Firth of Fifth
  • The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway -  The Carpet Crawlers
  • A Trick of The Tail - Mad Man Moon (hard to pick just one)
  • Wind and Wuthering - Afterglow
  • And Then There Were Three - Burning Rope
  • Duke - Duke's Travels
  • Abacab - Dodo/Lurker (probably my least favorite album)
  • Genesis - Silver Rainbow
  • Invisible Touch - Domino
  • Calling All Stations - The Dividing Line
  • We Can't Dance - Fading Lights

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Okay, I'm in, as well ... added the live albums:

  • Trespass - The Knife
  • Nursery Cryme - Musical Box
  • Foxtrot - Supper's Ready
  • Genesis Live - Watcher of the Skies
  • Selling England by the Pound - The Cinema Show 
  • The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - Fly on a Windshield
  • A Trick of The Tail - Entangled
  • Wind and Wuthering - Eleventh Earl of Mar/Blood on the Rooftops (tie)
  • Seconds Out - Squonk
  • And Then There Were Three - Down and Out 
  • Duke - Behind The Lines/Please Don't Ask (tie) 
  • Abacab - Dodo/Lurker
  • Three Sides Live - Dodo/The Fountain of Salmacis (tie)
  • Genesis - Home By the Sea 
  • Invisible Touch - Nothing occurs to me on that record.  Blech. 
  • We Can't Dance - Fading Lights
  • The Shorts - Mama
  • The Longs - The Old Medley
  • Calling All Stations - Not One of Us

 

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I used to be in a mailing list type thing where Genesis was discussed and of course a big topic was Pete versus Phil on Pete's songs.  I almost always preferred Phil on material from The Lamb although I never put it that way - because it only recently occurred to me why.  There's an eternal struggle to define art vs. entertainment and I think a key is that album.  When Peter sang it, it was art - everything was of a piece with an overall theme and narrative to be carried by Pete's performance, not to mention the multimedia live presentation.  When Phil sang it he was able to access an Ethel Merman-ish "belt it out" style that fit the performance.  In other words, Pete was selling the whole show, while Phil was able to make it a greatest-hits review.

All of which brings me to "The Carpet Crawlers".  Phil does an okay job, although his almost paranoid "In The Cage" works much better.  But if you're on the fence on what the best song is on The Lamb, SING "The Carpet Crawlers" along with Pete.  It's his masterpiece.

I hope this doesn't come across in a stoner "Have you ever REALLY looked at your hand, man?" kind of way, but I was listening to the song when I thought of making my list and I was really startled by how touched I was at the time.  I mean, I've heard that song a bajillion times with some small fondness, but it was like I finally "got it" today.

edit: How sad is it that I'm editing a post from TWO MONTHS ago over a missed capital letter?



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You're right Kevin, when Peter performed "the Lamb" he was Rael. The whole album was a set piece with Peter acting out the story.
Just what it was, I've never really understood. It's not an album I particularly enjoy. Just don't "get" it I guess.

For Phil, he was just singing individual songs, not trying to tell a story.

As for "The Carpet Crawlers" it's always been one of my favorite songs. A beautiful haunting piece of work.
Oddly enough, I also really enjoy the re-worked "Carpet Crawlers '99". They do some interesting little changes to it and it's different hearing the two vocalists work together.
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The live albums.

My copies of Live, Second's Out, and Three Sides Live are all on vinyl. I haven't listened to them in years. My version of TSL has the lousy studio tracks on side four, not the older tracks that were on later releases.

I have a copy of "The Shorts" but I don't know if I've ever listened to it more than once. I think I got it used somewhere, just to have it.
I do occasionally enjoy "The Longs" with "The Old Medley" being the best thing on that disc.
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The 5.1 releases are also available in a box set with a bonus disc of rarites,if you shop around ypu can get it for around 70 delivered.The cheapest i`ve seen is 11 for the individual releases so you could get the lot for 55 if you don`t want the book and extra disc of the box set.
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Steve Hackett is selling the boxed set (signed if you pre-prder it) for 89.99 British Pounds on his website. That works out to $204.13 Canadian ($176.60 US) dollars. I'd like to get them, but that's just too steep, and they're in PAL format, so I'd have to go out and find a new DVD player that supported all regions.

I'll wait and see what kind of price they come out at here in North America.

I may order ATOTT just to get it signed by Steve though. But I have to do it today or tomorrow. release date in the UK is April 2nd.
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There are rumblings on the Genesis Forums about the quality of the videos in the box set.  Supposedly, they used sub-standard sources vs. corresponding fan releases.  :(

I'll still buy it.  First off, I want the 5.1 mixes.  Second, the packaging looks gorgeous.  My third reason is an integrity thing - I never let my bootleg hobby negatively influence my purchasing official releases. 

 



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Same here.  For some reason I can't own bootleg versions of legitimate releases.  I mean, I do PLENTY of dicey things - I eat veal, I drive over the speeding limit sometimes, I put on a mask and fight crime - but I can't burn DVDs or copy CDs.  I guess I fear the RIAA more than anything else.

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I copy cd`s to use in the car,it`s no different than taping lp`s for the same reason.I won`t risk having the original stolen or damaged in the car.
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I meant copying other's CDs for personal use.  Sorry about the confusion.

I should add that not only is what you do okay by me (boy, what a relief, huh?*), it's also perfectly legal.

 

*insert smiley face that would be confusing because of the parentheses 



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Just got my tickets for the Hollywood Bowl show in October! This used to
be a terrible venue for sound beyond the box seats, but they revamped
the accoustics a few years ago and it is now the perfect venue. Outside,
right off the hill. It's gorgeous and you forget you are in the middle of
the city.

Now the challenge will be to avoid seeing the playlist of songs prior to the
show. This is always a challenge. To some fans, they want every bit of
info they can get their hands on. If I know an artists catalogue like I know
Genesis, I don't want to know anything so I can be surprised at the
concert. This might be going overboard in the spoilers depoartment for
some of you, but trust me it's more fun this way. And Genesis is famous
for keeping their playlist the same throughout a tour. So I humbly
request we treat concert playlists as spoilers once they start the tour.
Anybody agree about spoilers for a non-narrative music show? Disagree?
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I have no problem not mentioning the setlist, but it would make for interesting conversation.

I won't be going to a show myself. Checked on Ticketmaster a while back and could get some lousy seats at Olympic Stadium in Montreal for $77.00CDN. I'd prefer being able too see the musicians on stage and not watch them on a big screen from the nose bleed section.
I won't pay $200.00 + to see anybody.

Anybody else going to see them?

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Not with my hatred of crowds.  Not with my bad knees.  And not for that kind of money.

I can overcome any two of the three, but all three are too much.  I hope those who go get their socks blown through their shoes, though.

Spoiler set lists are a good idea.

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Holy Synchronicity ... I was reading a Genesis biography the other day, and came across the following:

[Watcher of the Skies] was inspired, Banks explained, "By my liking of science fiction ... a combination of Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End and Marvel Comics' The Watcher."

Pretty cool, huh?  Stan and Jack strike again!

Maybe Supper's Ready is about Galactus ...?

 



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Didn't you know Galactus is....A Flower?
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Instead of that boxy thing he wore, imagine Gabriel coming out in a Galactus outfit during Apocolypse in 9/8 ...

 

 

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With a little Silver Surfer orbiting his head...
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