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Aki Himmanen
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Discus? I would've thought the boys in the band were more partial to rugby or cricket. Or lawn tennis.

Sorry, I'll start again.

Maybe it's about former members and someone's inability to get to grips with their departure?
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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day:

(Running through my head when I woke just now; sometimes these things pick themselves)

"The crawlers cover the floor
 In the red ochre corridor,
 For my second sight of people,
 They've more lifeblood than before.
 They're moving, in time, to a heavy wooden door
 Where the needle's eye is winking, closing on the poor."

"The Carpet Crawlers" - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, 1974

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Damn, I like that song. Never understood what it was about, but it's a damn good song.

I have to admit I've never tried to figure out the "Lamb". I just get lost.
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I have to admit I've never tried to figure out the "Lamb". I just get lost.

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Seeing Gabriel in that Slipperman costume will do that to you.

 

 

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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day:

"Too big to fly,
 Dodo ugly, so Dodo must die.
 Doggo, with fear on his side
 Can't change, can't change the tide.
 Dog baiter, agitator,
 Asking questions; says he wants to know why.
 Ain't no reason that money can't buy,
 Mink he pretty, so mink he must die, must die.
 Must die."

"Dodo" - Abacab, 1981

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goddamn, you guys - this is an awesome thread.

I love "Duke" - "Behind the Lines" is one of my favorite songs. My Genesis iTunes Playlist kicks off with the live version of this song from "Three Sides Live", which goes into "Duchess", and then I followed this with the live version of "Duke's Travels" from the archives box set.

"Three Sides Live" is an amzing album - I have both US and UK versions on disc. That version of "In the Cage" has been a favorite since I started listening to Genesis. I understand it's not on the recent release of teh disc? Insane! I thought it was a concert staple up through the Invisible Touch tour.
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Posted: 21 April 2007 at 11:56am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Tim -

I'm not sure what you mean by  "I understand it's not on the recent release of teh disc?"

Are you referring to the new remixed box set that just came out, or ...?

 

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Posted: 21 April 2007 at 11:58am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Kevin -

Dodo is one of my favorite cuts of all-time.  What a great song.

I don't get why G-fans have such contempt for Abacab ... really don't.  There was some strong, fresh material on that record.

 

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Abacab is where I lost my Genesis cherry, so I'll always hold it in a special place, although I have sort of a "thing" for album openers and closers, and "Another Record" is just a total DUD.  Kevin sad.

"Dodo/Lurker" is my second favorite Genesis song of all time.

  1. The Battle of Epping Forest
  2. Dodo/Lurker
  3. Supper's Ready
  4. Man of Our Times
  5. Squonk
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Gene - a guy at work that i am going to the concert with borrowed my discs and told me "In the Cage" wasn't on the last release of the CD - which could mean the downloadable version. It looks like these new releases will have everything and then some, altho I think I have evrything covered with the original CD releases and the archive editions so I will pass on teh new stuff.

Or he could be totally wrong as I didn't follow up on it.   I just shook my head ruefully and was grateful I already had the disc. I should have questiuoned it as my job seems to be a fountain of Gensis misinformation. Another guy at work swears up and down that he saw Peter Gabriel play with Genesis in California in the 1980's. I told him he was probably so high that he thought he saw that or that or someone kidnapped him and smuggled him into the UK for the October 1982 WOMAD. He was pretty sure it was the former rather than the latter, but knowing him anything is possible.

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Kevin -

To this day, I don't get why Another Record gets a bad rap.  I actually think it's pretty interesting.  (Not my favorite deep cut, but a cool song.)

Now, if you want to vote Whodunnit off the island, I'm right there with ya.

Epping Forest over Moonlit Knight, huh?

Tim -

Here's the scoop on the latest releases: http://www.genesis-box.com/ 

TSL is NOT a part of that set, and word from Nick Davis (who engineered all the remixes and remasters with the boys) is that none of the live records are being considered for remixing or remastering.  If that's changed, I haven't heard about it.  (And I hope it does!)

To my knowledge, the last version of Three Sides Live to hit the streets was in the mid-90s, and it definitely has the In The Cage medley.

Let's take that guy at work out back and dress him up in a red dress and fox mask!

 



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On iTunes they have only a partial album for Three Sides Live.  They omit:

Abacab
In The Cage
One For The Vine
Fountain of Salmacis

And all the songs from the US 4th side.  Why, I have no idea.  Part of the ongoing history of trying to confuse people with different versions of this album.
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"The Battle of Epping Forest" > all

It's my favorite song, period.  And I'll take "Whodunnit?" over "Another Record" any ol' day.  I just don't dig that song.  Like I said, I have a "thing" for album closers, and it doesn't cut it.

I hate B-sides.  Most people think "Ooh, something not found on the LP!", while I often mourn Why, oh why is this not on the LP?!

When I take over the world (any day now), here's what Abacab will look like:

  1. Abacab
  2. No Reply At All
  3. Me and Sarah Jane
  4. Keep It Dark
  5. Dodo/Lurker
  6. Whodunnit?
  7. Paperlate
  8. Man on the Corner
  9. Like It Or Not
  10. Me And Virgil

MUCH better!

(That's right.  I like "Whodunnit?" AND "Me and Virgil".  Putupyerdukes!)

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Your Genesis Lyric of The Day:

"But that was many years ago, and though the pain is dim,
 A something still remains.
 Though you hardly can recall her face or form,
 Her memory lingers on.
 Ooh she made everything feel right.
 She came in like an angel, into your lonely life.
 And filling your world with light,
 Oh and everybody told you 'you're oh so lucky'."

"Evidence of Autumn" - 1980 (Duke sessions)

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 Brian Tait wrote:
Damn, I like that song. Never understood what it was about, but it's a damn good song.

Seems to me "The Carpet Crawlers", like much of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, is about transcendence.  The Crawlers are lacking in free will - they are rising above their circumstances, but "they are pulled up by the magnet, believing they're free".  Now, the question is: does Rael notice this?  Is he still somehow able to glean a lesson from these programmed overachievers?  I think, by the end, he does.  At this point, however, he only sees them for their weaknesses.  The imagery is replete with stagnation and stillbirth.  "A salamander scurries into flame to be destroyed" like a moth, unable to discern the danger until too late.  "Imaginary creatures are trapped in birth on celluloid" - they will never be more than what they are at that instant.  "The fleas cling to The Golden Fleece, hoping they'll find peace" - here, even on a magnificent artifact, we find huddled nothings that cannot imagine a better life.

God damn I love this song.  Time to give it a listen, and I hope I didn't get too "have you ever really LOOKED at your hand, man?" deep.

Full disclosure: I do not take recreational drugs.  With songs like this, I don't need to take recreational drugs.

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Got the box set as i don`t have any on cd,the dvd`s included have a great amount of interviews and archive footage,the 5.1 is great and the book with the bonus discs is very informative.I am guessing that Three Sides Live will be in the box set for the post 82 stuff.Not sure which will be next 83 onwards or the Gabriel years.The book does suggest that Pink Floyd are doing a similar thing with their back catalogue after the succss of DSOTM in 5.1 Nice!
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Gene: "Let's take that guy at work out back and dress him up in a red dress and fox mask!"


*****

I would love to see Genesis with Peter Gabriel do a show. Since that is not likely to happen, I think we should find out what he was taking and get our hands on some of it so we can see the "show" too. Knowing this guy, I wouldn't rule out our having to ingest Liquid Plumber before the concert.

Who's with me????!!!!!

(SFX: crickets chirping)

OK, neither do I. I wil have to settle for the Gabrieless line-up in October.
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I read that they may tour with Gabriel and Hackett next year as Gabriel has a full schedule this year.
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 QUOTE:
  I read that they may tour with Gabriel and Hackett next year as Gabriel has a full schedule this year.

That would be interesting, wouldn't it?  Given that was the original plan, and Gabriel was apparently into it, it does seem possible.


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On iTunes they have only a partial album for Three Sides Live.  They omit:

Abacab
In The Cage
One For The Vine
Fountain of Salmacis

And all the songs from the US 4th side.  Why, I have no idea.  Part of the ongoing history of trying to confuse people with different versions of this album.

Ah.  Sorry, didn't consider the download sources.

Dunno about iTunes, but the Genesis catalog on Rhapsody is really weird.  The have the LIVE versions of Squonk and Robbery, Assault & Battery featured on Trick of the Tail.  This wasn't always the case, so I have no clue what's up.


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  Got the box set as i don`t have any on cd,the dvd`s included have a great amount of interviews and archive footage,the 5.1 is great and the book with the bonus discs is very informative.I am guessing that Three Sides Live will be in the box set for the post 82 stuff.Not sure which will be next 83 onwards or the Gabriel years. 

Word has it that the videos are of worse quality than certain circulating bootlegs of the same content.

It's caused some ire in the fan community, particularly among those who've produced said bootlegs with loving care, and distribute their works freely among the fans.

The Genesis community is a very cool and generous one - and prior to the box set's release, those same producers supposedly offered anything/everything they had to G-Management with no strings attached.  G-management reportedly declined their offer, and then used comparatively poor sources.

While only hearsay, my understanding is that G-Management might be working with the fan-based production community on the next box.

 

Edited for formatting.

 



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The Gabriel box set really disappointed me with all the overdubbing on the live material.  And it was so glaringly obvious in places.
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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day:

"Now the host emerges, and a shadow starts to fall.
 No one knows what hit them, none can see at all.
 Even as the end approaches still they are not aware,
 How can you fight a foe so deadly when you dont even know its there?
 And now that the job is almost done, maybe some escape, no, not even one!"

"Cul-De-Sac" - Duke, 1980

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 Bill Collins wrote:
I am guessing that Three Sides Live will be in the box set for the post 82 stuff.


Not according to the announced plans.  I suppose it's possible that they might do some re-release of the live albums after they're done with the studio albums.  Though I don't think 5.1 remixes would make sense for live albums.  But it wouldn't surprise me if there's eventually some repackaged form.
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 Kevin wrote:
The Gabriel box set really disappointed me with all the overdubbing on the live material.


What box set  was this?  Are you talking about Gabriel-era Genesis (Archive #1), or something with Gabriel solo?


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The contents of the 1983-1997 box:

http://www.genesis-news.com/genesis/reviews/sacds/1983-1997. htm

I hope that they release The Mama Tour video on DVD, and do it justice (i.e., the best source, the best sound, and the complete show).  The fan release is pretty good, and also includes the Behind the Music special.

Of course, they didn't include the Three Sides Live concert video on DVD in the first box, so we've no reason to think they will.

I'll be VERY interested to see how they handle the Making of Calling All Stations - 2006 Band Interviews.  Ray doesn't sound too fond of Genesis these days.

 

 

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Sorry I wasn't more clear, Jim Yingst.  I meant Archive #1.

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