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Jason Schulman Byrne Robotics Member

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"Crazy little...punk...no discipline...you're lucky...I went so easy on you..."
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Brian Hunt Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:00am | IP Logged | 2
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Awesome. I really like the way that the cuts are drawn. It looks like real blood would.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member

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Batman is cooler than Wolverine, no question. However, I'm not sure how he KO's him, at least for the count. Plus, the latter has unbreakable bones.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:11am | IP Logged | 4
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Wolverine has unbreakable bones, but he doesn't have unbreakable muscles or nerves. A punch to the jaw would have the same effect on him as anybody else.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member

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True, but won't his healing power do something about that at some point?
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Eric Lund Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:21am | IP Logged | 6
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Plus hitting an adamantium jaw would be like hitting a steel flag pole...I would think that impact would shatter the bones in Batman's hand...
I am sure however he (Batman) would "get" that Wolverines bones were not normal after punching him the first time and adjust his stategy immediately...
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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:23am | IP Logged | 7
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I think the Batman villain that comes closest to Wolverine at his most "deadly" is Ra's Al Ghul immediately upon emerging from the Lazarus pit. The centuries of martial arts experience, the berserker rage, the quick healing etc. If Batman can handle Ra's in that state, (which he has, and I'm sure he's planned ahead for future encounters) then I'm sure he's prepared to handle Wolverine.
A healing factor won't stop Wolverine from being knocked out. He'll just wake up sooner. Which means he can be restrained. An adamantium skeleton may be a plus if you're going up against the Hulk, but even an ordinary bone skull can break a man's fist in a brawl. Martial artists usually go after soft tissue - muscles, nerve clusters and internal organs.
Wolverine may have super senses, but if Batman knows about them, they're a liability. It means Wolverine is MORE vulnerable than most to strong lights, sounds, smells and tastes.
A fight between them may not be cut and dried, but I wouldn't sell Batman short.
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Marcel Chenier Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:26am | IP Logged | 8
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This image, if it showed up on a comic book, would be the 'new' X-MEN 141
or X-MEN 133--an instant classic, iconic cover.
It's simple, unexpected, and shocking.
Very nice piece!
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member

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QUOTE:
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Certainly didn't mean to do that and I think your explanation makes sense.
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Greg Kirkpatrick Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:28am | IP Logged | 10
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Wouldn't gas or poison knock Wolverine out anyways? He can get knocked out by gas, just recover faster? Right? Who knows these days?
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member

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Depends on the writer, I think. He'd always be affected by poisons but I think it differs whether the gas knocks him out or if he just hangs in there and shakes it off.
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:44am | IP Logged | 12
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I was rushing to catch a bus to go to work when I posted before, so now I can say a little more:
JB, I'm honestly not saying this because this is mine, but this just might be the best Batman I've ever seen you draw. (And oh god, did I just say that this is "mine"??) Really love the inks too.
I wonder if you would have gone with the black cape on Batman on your own. I really think the cuts stand out better this way.
I've been a bit reluctant to ask for this because in my mind I thought "Nah, too obvious". For some reason I've been under the impression that you must have been asked to draw this several times over the years, but didn't want to ask publicly to avoid giving someone else the idea before I ever got to it. So, now I can ask, have you drawn them together before at a Con or for an older commission?
Edited by Vinny Valenti on 07 May 2007 at 10:49am
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Lionel Faure Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:47am | IP Logged | 13
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WOW!!!
Love it to peaces!
Really wonder why the big two companies haven't begged JB to do this comicbook yet. Would be an instant hit!
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:48am | IP Logged | 14
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"JB, I'm curious - what did the commissioner actually request?"
Gene, I did mention it above, but for the hell of it, this is the snippet of my original email to Jim Warden:
"Batman vs. Wolverine - Batman's cape and cowl inked black, and Wolverine in his brown costume. JB would be free to show whoever would have the upper hand in such a matchup. 11x17, no backgrounds."
Edited by Vinny Valenti on 07 May 2007 at 10:49am
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member

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Oh, and BTW, I love that this piece is sparking a bit of debate - that's what I was hoping for!
Edited by Vinny Valenti on 07 May 2007 at 10:53am
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Location: United States Posts: 87202
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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:55am | IP Logged | 16
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So, now I can ask, have you drawn them together
before at a Con or for an older commission?
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Not that I remember.
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Dylan Contino Byrne Robotics Member

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I think any gas Wolverine would recover from very quickly. Poison too.
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Joe Smith Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:59am | IP Logged | 18
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But....Wolverine's got a way out for everything! He's the most popular! 100yrs old Martial Arts Admantium Bones Healing Factor
sheesh....M***** can really brainwash crap into the world.
Awesome artwork, and congrats Vin.
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Dylan Contino Byrne Robotics Member

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Well, it's not brainwashing. It's all from published stories-though I may have spoke a bit too much about his martial arts. I don't mean he's Shang Chi (sorry if I spelled that wrong). Like he'll be in a stance. But he knows how to fight with a sword/samarai, and has his eastern influences.
I was always annoyed by the idea that Batman, simply as being himself, can beat anyone. Without people even feeling the need to say how.
However, JB did provide an answer.
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Darragh Greene Byrne Robotics Member

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Brutal!
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Steve Horton Byrne Robotics Member

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Wolverine is the best there is at what he does - but ONLY at what he does. Picture Batman beating Catwoman in DKR because she's ONLY a master of judo. Batman is second-best at everything.
GREAT commission.
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Michael Cross Byrne Robotics Member

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Yup, that's the best. Congrats to whoever will own this!
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John Byrne
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I think any gas Wolverine would recover from very quickly. Poison too. *** It saddens me to see what a caricature Wolverine has become. In my days on UNCANNY his "healing factor" meant he could recover from just about any non-lethal injury --- eventually. It didn't mean you could rip his heart out and he would instantly grow a new one. The healing factor was what made the implantation of the adamantium bones possible, it didn't make him indestructable.
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Casey Sager Byrne Robotics Member

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I think Batman would find a way to beat Wolverine as well, but I keep coming back in my mind to Wolverine getting punched into orbit in JB's first issue of X-Men and surviving.
Casey
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Jeremy Boyd Byrne Robotics Member

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Very amazing piece JB. It would sit very nicely next to my dream
commission -- a piece I've described before but please indulge me:
Batman and Wolverine (back to back?) fighting Sabretooth and the Joker.
Bruce would be in combat with Sabretooth and Logan would appear about to
disembowel the Joker.
I'd consider paying for this myself but hey, I just bought a condo. If
annyone else wants to commission it, feel free!!
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