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Michael Connell
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I've noticed on my DC site the younger readers seem to be complaining that DC is starting to cater to our generation "The old guys" with the return of the Multiverse, Hal Jordan back as GL and the new JLA. I think DC is just trying to get back to what worked after that darker trend they took after COIE. What do you guys think?  
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Marvel of the 70s, perhaps.
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How can it be catering to the old guys if DC's returning to a fictional structure that worked for a vastly superior number of readers for 70 years prior to CRISIS, with everything neatly explained by the Multiple Earths theory? I mean, DC had a limitless canvas for story-telling with the Multiple Earths, and decided to crush all that together and create a nightmare of continuity problems that the company has yet to recover from, and it only took them twenty-two years to figure it out.

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...70 years prior to CRISIS...

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uhh...what?

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Uhh, you're hedging over 20 years. Why not argue the statement, then point out it's 50 instead of 70? Like that makes a damn.

 

 

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Posted: 21 May 2007 at 7:09pm | IP Logged | 6  

Marvel of the 70s, perhaps.
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Lot's of Exorcist and Kung Fu rip-offs? Nah, they're doing much worse!
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Uhh, you're hedging over 20 years. Why not argue the statement, then point out it's 50 instead of 70? Like that makes a damn.

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So, the facts don't make a damn.  Got it.

And it wasn't 50, it was about 25, unless you're implying that the multiverse emerged from a full cloth the moment Superman hefted that car over his head on the cover of ACTION #1.  That changes things quite a bit, because it shows that things worked about the same amount of time without a multiverse as with.

Like that makes a damn.

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Well, if the Superman who lifted the car was retroactively the Superman of Earth 2, then we are talking the totality of DC up to that point. Readers weren't "aware" they were reading Superman of Earth 2, nor writers/artists telling tales of same, but DC made it plain with two Flashes on the same cover that that was the case. 

The Multiverse was there, and like Delbert Grady it had always been there. Comics pros merely gave it a name. And it worked. Infinite worlds, infinite alternate histories, infinite story possibilities traded in to become "like Marvel". To go from a Multiverse to a series of retcons ripped the heart out of those shining DC icons. And not just once.

 

 

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Hmm... Marvel of the 70's...

I guess there are a lot of worse goals a company could make.

I loved Marvel of the 70's.

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The multiverse made its first appearance in 1961.  To say that it was there all along in 1939 is basically saying you're okay with the retcons you agree with, but any retcons you disagree with are "wrong."
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Brad Hague wrote:


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I loved Marvel of the 70's.

So did I. :-)

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 John Byrne wrote:
Marvel of the 70s, perhaps.

How so? I, too, have fond (albeit nostalgiac) memories of that decade of Marvel-dom.

EDIT: After reading my comment, I realized that one could infer that I thought your comment was a pejorative one. I'm not assuming that--just wanted to make myself clear. 



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