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Michael Connell
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I've noticed on my DC site the younger readers seem to be complaining that DC is starting to cater to our generation "The old guys" with the return of the Multiverse, Hal Jordan back as GL and the new JLA. I think DC is just trying to get back to what worked after that darker trend they took after COIE. What do you guys think?  
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Marvel of the 70s, perhaps.
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How can it be catering to the old guys if DC's returning to a fictional structure that worked for a vastly superior number of readers for 70 years prior to CRISIS, with everything neatly explained by the Multiple Earths theory? I mean, DC had a limitless canvas for story-telling with the Multiple Earths, and decided to crush all that together and create a nightmare of continuity problems that the company has yet to recover from, and it only took them twenty-two years to figure it out.

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...70 years prior to CRISIS...

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uhh...what?

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Uhh, you're hedging over 20 years. Why not argue the statement, then point out it's 50 instead of 70? Like that makes a damn.

 

 

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Marvel of the 70s, perhaps.
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Lot's of Exorcist and Kung Fu rip-offs? Nah, they're doing much worse!
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Uhh, you're hedging over 20 years. Why not argue the statement, then point out it's 50 instead of 70? Like that makes a damn.

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So, the facts don't make a damn.  Got it.

And it wasn't 50, it was about 25, unless you're implying that the multiverse emerged from a full cloth the moment Superman hefted that car over his head on the cover of ACTION #1.  That changes things quite a bit, because it shows that things worked about the same amount of time without a multiverse as with.

Like that makes a damn.

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Well, if the Superman who lifted the car was retroactively the Superman of Earth 2, then we are talking the totality of DC up to that point. Readers weren't "aware" they were reading Superman of Earth 2, nor writers/artists telling tales of same, but DC made it plain with two Flashes on the same cover that that was the case. 

The Multiverse was there, and like Delbert Grady it had always been there. Comics pros merely gave it a name. And it worked. Infinite worlds, infinite alternate histories, infinite story possibilities traded in to become "like Marvel". To go from a Multiverse to a series of retcons ripped the heart out of those shining DC icons. And not just once.

 

 

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Hmm... Marvel of the 70's...

I guess there are a lot of worse goals a company could make.

I loved Marvel of the 70's.

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The multiverse made its first appearance in 1961.  To say that it was there all along in 1939 is basically saying you're okay with the retcons you agree with, but any retcons you disagree with are "wrong."
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Brad Hague wrote:


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I loved Marvel of the 70's.

So did I. :-)

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 John Byrne wrote:
Marvel of the 70s, perhaps.

How so? I, too, have fond (albeit nostalgiac) memories of that decade of Marvel-dom.

EDIT: After reading my comment, I realized that one could infer that I thought your comment was a pejorative one. I'm not assuming that--just wanted to make myself clear. 



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It's a fictional universe either way. I would guess good writers could write
appealing stories in either setting, but I prefer the concept of the multiverse
myself, so no complaints whether it started 25 or 125 years ago.
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Marvel of the 70s, perhaps.

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How so?

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Not so long ago I sat with increasing bogglement, listening to one of the Higher Ups at DC describe the plans for the next couple of years --- using Marvel titles as the "shorthand". "This will be our Kree-Skrull War, and this will be our Secret Wars, and this will be our "all-new, all-different"…" The only DC project referred to was the 20 year old CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS.
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If Marvel set things back to the way they were in the 70s I might actually be buying more than 2 Marvel books right now.
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 Michael Connell wrote:
I've noticed on my DC site the younger readers seem to be complaining that DC is starting to cater to our generation "The old guys" with the return of the Multiverse, Hal Jordan back as GL and the new JLA.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But this is like saying keeping Clark Kent as Superman "caters" to the readers of the thirties and early forties.

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But this is like saying keeping Clark Kent as Superman "caters" to the readers of the thirties and early forties.

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Quite the contrary. That's merely following continuity. But 20 years ago DC deliberately broke continuity, with CRISIS, MAN OF STEEL, George's WONDER WOMAN reboot, etc. To harken back to the pre-CRISIS days is to play to exactly what I find most wrong with DC these days -- their idea of "innovation" is to press REWIND. And that is most definitely catering to the "old" crowd.

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To harken back to the pre-CRISIS days is to play to exactly what I find most wrong with DC these days -- their idea of "innovation" is to press REWIND. And that is most definitely catering to the "old" crowd.

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Agree with this 150%.
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I applaud DC for catering to me.  Unfortunately about 80% of their books are still aimed at other readers.  They need to fix that.

I hope that "going back to the 70's" includes bringing back all of those war, romance, and horror titles.  And the oversized editions too.

 

 



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If only they were trying to re-wind. Everything out of DC the past few
years has struck me more looking at the past and then taking everything
that was complained about or viewed as wrong and amping that up. The
90's saw brief replacements of Wonder Woman, Superman, Batman as
heroes and longer replacement of Hal Jordan. So, now we kill off and
incapacitate even more heroes and replace them with kewler more PC
versions. Crisis on Infinite Earths? Countdown to Infinite Crisis which led
to mini's that didn't resolve anything that led to Infinite Crisis that had to
be tiedied up by 52 which no sooner ended than they started up
Countdown...

Multiple Earths was too confusing when each Earth's continuity had very
little duplication? Now we have multiple Earths with a JSA on the primary
universe that remembers 2 sets of lives as well as a JSA-Earth, 2 sets of
Marvel families with different histories, 2 groups of Freedom Fighters, 2
groups of heroes from Charlton, etc. They aren't supposed to be the same
as the ones from pre-Crisis, then why pretty much duplicate those
Earths? Why retread the old ground if all you're going to do is muddy
things even more?
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