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Kurt Anderson
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Who was Pete Best?  Heck?
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In "What If the Original Marvel Bullpen Had Become the Fantastic Four?" Kirby includes production manager Sol Brodsky in the team.  He might make a good nominee for the Marvel Ringo, operating in the background, keeping the beat steady, making sure the rhythymic monthly schedule got out there to the fans, never shining as brightly creatively as his fellows, perhaps, but still crucial to the overall delivery and professional polish of the finished product... 

"Ringo!! The name that makes killers tremble!" (with art by the great John Severin!)



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"Jack occasionally did that with people.  He hated to dampen enthusiasm and passion, and so would often "go with" what others felt or believed.  So his attitude was kind of like, "If you want to pronounce it your way, go right on ahead."

This was in the FAQ section of the Evanier site. 

With all of the bubble/balloon, Spiderman/Spider-Man, etc. conversations that come up I think the Kirby quote is important to consider.  As much as I prefer things to be addressed accurately, splitting those hairs could indeed dampen enthusiasm for the subject matter.  A wise observation from the king(in my opinion).

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I can't see that version of Spider-Man being as successful.


You have a nice gift for understatement. :)
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Nathan Greno: OT: I can't help but think of the awesome version of the cover I own! :)

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John P: So you are the one who owns the cover to my complete issue!  :-)

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So you are the one who owns the complete issue to my cover!  :-)




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Kurt Anderson wrote: "Who was Pete Best?  Heck? "

The argument could be made for Joe Maneely, the artist who did the Black Knight for Atlas in the 1950's, being the Stu Sutcliffe of the team.  Lee has said that if Maneely had not passed away, he would certainly have received assignments during Marvel's formative years and been a creative voice in the company that Marvel became.  That would be interesting to imagine; a Joe Maneely Thor (the historical accuracy would've been stronger), or a Joe Maneely Iron Man (hearkening back to the knights of old, maybe...)

   



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I'll bet Stan had forgotten all about that "Spider Man" issue of Uncanny Tales.
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It was probably scripted by Stan Lee. I bet.

That's pre-Code, too, making it before 1955.

I think that a Marvel with Maneely instead of Kirby as Lee's chief co-creator would've been very different, and possibly nowhere near as successful, though. I like Maneely's work, but he doesn't offer the distinctive and unique qualities that both Kirby and Ditko had.



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Nope, turns out that issue was scripted by Ben Benulis

Uncanny Tales #26 November 1954.



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With all of the bubble/balloon, Spiderman/Spider-Man, etc. conversations that come up I think the Kirby quote is important to consider.  As much as I prefer things to be addressed accurately, splitting those hairs could indeed dampen enthusiasm for the subject matter.  A wise observation from the king(in my opinion).

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There is a world of difference between correcting someone's misuse of terminology, or misspelling of a character's name, and misattributing credit.

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I agree, but I wasn't referencing character creation or who should be(or who Jack Kirby thought should be) credited.  This is the entire FAQ from Evanier's site:

How is "Darkseid" pronounced?

As if spelled "dark side," as in "the dark side of man's nature."

That's how Kirby always pronounced it around me.  But at least once, when some fan who pronounced it "dark seed" was excitedly telling Jack his theories about the character, Jack went along with it, rather than correct the kid.  And the kid went around telling everyone who'd previously told him he had the name wrong, "No, I was right.  That's how Jack Kirby pronounced it."

Jack occasionally did that with people.  He hated to dampen enthusiasm and passion, and so would often "go with" what others felt or believed.  So his attitude was kind of like, "If you want to pronounce it your way, go right on ahead."

I thought that I had posted the entire thing but realize that it's out of context without the Darkseid portion. 



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 Michael wrote:
...Nope, turns out that issue was scripted by Ben Benulis

Uncanny Tales #26 November 1954....

Ah, then it was Ben Benulis that created Spider-Man!! ;-)

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