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Armindo Macieira
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I take spandex anyday over those X-Men "leather" uniforms they wore for some issues... They looked like some weird looking fashion challenged gigolos/prostitutes in my opinion... but then again I grew up in the seventies, so it might be cool for younger generations.
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Michael Hogan
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Joe Z: Now if accountants had death-ray eyes, no one would dare mess with the petty cash :)
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What do you think we're holding in check with the green eyeshades?
I think this comes under the category of: "Hey pro, when you have a character ask this question, it's time to find a new profession." (Just like telling a fan "it's time to find a new hobby.")
Too bad nobody who understands this works at LEVRAM.
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Michael Penn
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"Why did you have us dress like superheroes?"
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The Beast asked this? Hank is supposed to be the smartest of the X-Men!
Some dumb/bad writing out there, eh....
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Vinny Valenti
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Even worse was Wolverine's follow-up line, saying something like "at least now I don't have to feel embarassed to be walking outside". That alone showed how Morrison just didnt get the characters. Can a person really make Wolverine wear something that he doesn't want to?
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Eric Lund
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and a costume he wore long before he was an X-Men
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Bryan White
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Good thing he wasn't a sumo
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Flavio Sapha
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Professor X´s answer was that they had been camouflaging as super-heroes, to seem more "friendly" to the general public.
During Morrison´s run, the X-Men were an NGO with several international "embassies". Kind of like Greenpeace. Because, like, Greenpeace is cool, you know? Much cooler than a team of super-heroes.
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John Byrne
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Even worse was Wolverine's follow-up line, saying something like "at least now I don't have to feel embarassed to be walking outside". That alone showed how Morrison just didnt get the characters. Can a person really make Wolverine wear something that he doesn't want to?••• More to the point, does Wolverine give a rat's ass what anybody else thinks about what he's wearing?
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Paul Reis
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i agree with what you have said, JB, and offer you one more example:
picture someone who has just completed what one has to do to become a
police officer, and with many options open to him, choses to apply to
the RCMP. on acceptance he says "do i have to wear the red jacket and funny hat so i look like a mountie?"
if the quote up above is by Grant Morrison, i again have to ask why was he ever asked to write the introduction to the Jack Kirby Fourth World Omnibus?
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Mike Sweeney
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To underline what JB said, there are implicit and explicit dress codes in all
sorts of activities: not just professional sports. Sometimes we just aren't
aware of all the little group behavior codes we are following when we put
on something to go to a ball game or a picnic or a casual friday at the
office. There are code words like "dress professional," or "dress ready to
move," or "please wear crew blacks" that are meaningful within those
contexts. The fact that no-one says "this is the uniform of the day"
doesn't mean you go to a funeral wearing a white t-shirt and sneakers.
Sure, there isn't a standard uniform, but there are definite commonalities
an outsider can pick up on. One of my favorite little ones is that almost
every theatrical rigger I've met wore jeans, black t-shirt, and had a
carabiner clipped to his or her belt. It's pretty easy, walking into a
theater, to know who is cast, who are musicians, who is running crew,
who the union guys are, and who is designer and who is a producer or
other exec. And much of this is through the clothes they wear.
Remember that even in uniformed groups like the military, is isn't quite
as simple as the same pattern and the same fabric. America's military
forces have gone from "everyone wear something at least sorta grey or
blue" to "everyone make themselves a tunic that looks like this" to
"everyone wear one of the five fatigues that are still in-system as of this
date" (I was once at a Reserve drill where half the company was in
woodland BDU, I and one other guy were in green ripstop nylon jungle
fatigues, the motor pool SGT was in old cotton OG 107's, and Top himself
was wearing Vietnam-era tiger-stripe -- the last two, I think, were really
not legit by that date!)
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John Byrne
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Parenthetical to Mike's last paragraph, when I was still living in Canada there was a smallish scandal in Parliament when it was discovered that the Federal Government, in order to save a few bucks, had farmed out the slacks and tunics of the new combined-forces uniforms to different factories, who used different fabrics with different dye lots, so the "uniforms", well, weren't.
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Albert Matthews
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Dovetailing onto JB's superhero/athlete analogy, I was watching "Larry King" last night as they discussed the Chris Benoit muder/suicide and couldn't help but think how much superhero mythology resembles professional wrestling. Now, I realize I'm hardly the first human being to make that comparison, but it really hit home during last night's show. Plus, it left me with two questions:
1) Has there ever been a mainstream, "deconstructed" superhero story in which the hero in question kills his family and then himself? If not, Grant Morrison should get on that posthaste...
2) Why should a lifelong comic book geek like myself loathe professional wrestling so much? Is it the dreadful acting, overwhelmingly homoerotic vibe, or some other factor?
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