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Aaron Smith
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Not "classics" by any stretch, but I've never had any interest in any X-Men introduced after about 1983 or so.
The Punisher also.
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Erin Anna Leach
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Yes, I killed Superman, too. I just brought him back to life in the same issue. 'Member when we used to do stuff like that?
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Yes I do, and I long for those glory days to return.
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Michael Andrew Gonoude
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Chad Carter: "Then, I really got him (Namor the Sub-Mariner ) during the John Buscema series (talk about an Essential that needs to happen)."*
*emphasis mine.
AMEN! From your mouth to da Q's ear, brother!
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Robert Carolgees
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I never got the Punisher either - I got the motivation of the character, that's all relatively straightforward and simple but it's how he interacts with the rest of the marvel universe that makes no sense to me.
I've lost count of the Spiderman, Daredevil stories where they just let him walk off into the distance at the end of the team-up! The guy is a killer!
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Michael Penn
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I've never gotten Thor
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John M, I really have to agree -- and Thor is nearly my favorite character!
I've never figured out what it means to be a "god" in the Marvel Universe, especially when I was introduced to the Norse pantheon through Lee/Kirby, when it seemed like they were the most powerful race and Odin clearly the most powerful single figure. Unleashing the Odinsword would end the Universe! Mjolnir repelled Galactus! WOW!
But that made me have trouble "getting" Thor. He'd face a far less than awesome foe and I'd think, why is this a problem? Thor is a GOD! Isn't he? What does that mean? Count Nefaria stops Mjolnir with his hand? Really? Not that I didn't love that or other Thor-related stories! I just don't "get" him and his kind.
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John Byrne
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As I have noted elsewhere, and with the clarity of hindsight, I think Stan and Jack made a mistake when they decided to make Thor the "real" Thor. "Whosoever holds his hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of THOR(R)!" That was really all I needed to know. But, of course, the rest of the Norse mythology began appearing early on, so it was only natural (if a tad anal) that fans should start writing in wondering what had happened to the real Thor.I would have preferred it, tho, if Stan and Jack had chosen to reveal that Thor had died in some suitably cosmic fashion, and his life-essence had been placed in the hammer, perhaps by Thor himself (tho he was not a particularly bright guy!) in a last ditch maneuver. The idea of Don Blake being an invention of Odin's never really sat well with me.
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John Byrne
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Thor is a GOD! Isn't he? What does that mean?••• It means he's an immensely powerful supernatural being, several levels above human. That's what gods were, before the Judeo/Christian/Muslim concoction messed things up.
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John Mietus
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Yeah. It's like, if you're the Norse mythological embodiment of the concept
of storms and thunder and lightning, the personification, manifestation, and
weilder of a specific force of nature, with a myth cycle all of your own,
wouldn't being a superhero be somewhat, I dunno, mundane?
I mean, not to take anything away from some of the fine work of Lee/Kirby,
or Simonson after him, or any of the other fine creators in between or after
who have handled the character, but I just don't get the idea of the Norse
God of Thunder slumming it by being a superhero and going on adventures
with the likes of Captain America and Hawkeye.
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Michael Penn
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wielder of a specific force of nature
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It boggles the mind, really, the power of Thor, even at a far, far less than Jehovah-like omnipotence. Can you imagine being able to conjure up a hurricane?! WOW!
But Don Blake also stumped me when Thorr became Thor because Stan Lee took such care in the writing to make him a real character and not merely some kind of humanoid "trap" for the godling. I liked Don Blake! But if he's just a shell... then... GAH! I'm confused!
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John Mietus
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My introduction to the (Marvel Comics) character of Thor came form the
'60s cartoon, which of course was based quite literally on the early Lee/
Kirby comics. And I was really into the character... until the "real" Loki
showed up and started harassing him.
If it'd been a guy who, like Don Blake, had also found some stick that
gave him the "powers of Loki", then I would've been okay. But the fact
that he was really Loki?
That's when they lost me. Completely.
And no, I don't care for either Marvel or DC's versions of Hercules/
Herakles, or the fact that Diana's mother is the mythological Hippolyta,
either.
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Eric Lund
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I have all the Buscema Sub-Mariner comics and got them on the cheap back in the late 80's in mint condition for next to nothing... I think John Buscema's run on the Sub-Mariner rivals his Silver Surfer and in ways surpases it....
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Jason Schulman
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I was never that into Thor either, though the Simonson run was great fun. I tend not to be interested in mythological/supernatural characters as superheroes. Science-fiction or science-fantasy characters work much better as superheroes, IMO.
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