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But which makes for a stronger image?

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In Spider-Man's case, I don't think there's any way to get him black to red-and-black. The blue is too deeply ingrained in people's minds, now.

Batman, on the other hand, has had numerous recent incarnations that have featured a gray-and-black costume, and so black seems to have become a dominant color for his costume once again.

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In Spider-Man's case, I don't think there's any way to get him black to red-and-black. The blue is too deeply ingrained in people's minds, now.

I have always tried to draw him in red and black --- and the odd thing is, I have never received a word of complaint!

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JB "inking" Ditko...that's a thought!

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Done it three times -- CHARLTON BULLSEYE,
AVENGERS ANNUAL and ROM.

Ditko inked me once, on a MACHINE MAN cover.
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I have always tried to draw him in red and black --- and the odd thing is, I have never received a word of complaint!

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Probably because people still thought he was supposed to be red-and-blue!

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Ditko inked me once, on a MACHINE MAN cover.

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Do you get many opportunities to request a specific inker?  I'm not sure how the "norm" in the industry is set up.  I would imagine the big name guy's get more choice in the matter? 

How did you feel Ditko's ink's worked with your pencils on Machine Man(also, do you recall which issue that might be?  I only have #1 in my collection and would like to see your version).

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On a somewhat related matter...

Superman wears red shorts. I don't think anybody has ever disputed that. But more often than not, artists draw the shorts with heavy black shadows. I wondered when this was first done if the intent was that the shorts were supposed to be a shiny red fabric?

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I recall Moon Knight's costume described as "silver and jet."
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JB's version of the original Ditko black and red Spider-Man:


and Ditko inking JB:


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Damn! Last year I found that Spider-Man index posted by Joe signed by both Roger Stern and JB, but I considered it too expensive for a simple "guide to the character" and I decided to use my money for some real comic book. That was a sad moment!

By the way, I remember that, when Spider-Man had his black costume, in AMAZING (by Ron Frenz) they used the blue parts. Instead in SPECTACULAR (by Al Milgrom) the costume was completely black (except for the big spider)... and it had a strange effect. Spider-Man seemed a big black blot.

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Doesn't JR, Jr. draw Spider-Man in the black and red togs?
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I was talking to Chris Giarrusso at a con about this subject. Apparently one day at the bullpen, this topic came up and the official Marvel decree was that Spider-Man's outfit is Red and Blue. Chris disagreed, and decided to always draw Spider-Man's outfit in Red and Black, waiting for an editor to tell him otherwise. That has yet to occur.


Not even a hint of blue.
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I might be wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that Gil Kane originally wanted Green Lantern to be blue and green.  I'm not sure if I'm remembering right, but interesting. Must be how these stories grow...
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Spider-Man in red and black looks better.  I like Superman with the darker blue also. And of course Batman in gray and black.
Maybe Moon Knight is silver...eating a lot of crow today.
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I thought I read somewhere that Gil Kane originally wanted Green Lantern to be blue and green.

That seems unlikely. Gil would have known what a nightmare that would be for the color separators.

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"Giant-Sized Mini Marvels" Somewhere a universe
just imploded.
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Trevor Smith
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Wow, I've never seen the Mini Marvels stuff.  The faces look very Watterson-ish.  Can anyone here offer any feedback?  Are they really good, or pretty much just a one-note novelty?
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I enjoy them. Some samples can be found at Chris Giarrusso's site.

http://www.chrisgcomics.com/marvels.html

Particularly amusing is the feature length "Paperboy Blues".

http://www.chrisgcomics.com/pb01.html
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I feel pretty certain that Moon Knight is silver like the silvery moon, but maybe I'm crazy.

In this same vein, I think that Black Panther and Black Bolt are both dressed in black. (Black Goliath and Black Lightning, though are in blue.)


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I always thought Storm's uniform was black leather.  A little shine to it...especially the cape.
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Wait...who drew the cover of Amazing Fantasy #15?
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I always thought Storm's costume was more like patent leather to get those brilliant white reflections of light.
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