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Aaron Smith
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Animators working on the X-Men cartoon! Not even "civilians!"
I'm getting a headache.
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Michael Penn
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What prompts choosing a particular color as a black highlight, e.g., white in Storm's costume, blue in Superman's hair, etc.?
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Brad Brickley
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Contrast I would say.
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Brian Kirk
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I read somewhere that Moon Knight's costume is black.
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Jason Fliegel
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I remember being surprised when I learned that the Fantastic Four's post-Negative Zone costumes from JB's run were black, and not (as I had thought) dark blue.
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Brad Brickley
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Moon Knight always looked white to me, you know like a moon.
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Brian Kirk
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M-O-O-N. That spells-
Ooops! Wrong thread!
Edited by Brian Kirk on 18 September 2007 at 11:08am
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Andy Mokler
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Nova is another character that's morphed from one color to another. In his first appearance (as well as fanzine appearances before Marvel where he's actually call "Black Nova") bystanders comment on the character in black but soon after he's clearly clad in blue and yellow. Blue and yellow seem to go well together but in this case he should be more Pittsburgh Steeler than Los Angeles Ram.
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John Byrne
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What prompts choosing a particular color as a black highlight, e.g., white in Storm's costume, blue in Superman's hair, etc.? ••• If you look thru a random selection of Golden and Silver Age comics, you will soon come to wonder if many colorists considered blue a default setting. Not surprisingly, since it is a single color (like yellow, and unlike red which, in printing, is actually made by combining yellow and magenta), and so requires but a single dot, swipe or pass of the brush. The separators especially like single colors. No chance of missing a necessary hue on one of the plate and having, say, Spider-Man suddenly without pants!* So, blue is used for highlights on black, even tho such highlights rarely occur in the real world. Every once in a while, artists come along who true to break the blue rule. Dave Cockrum did this with Storm's costume. I did it with Northstar and Aurora's hair. We've seen what happened with Storm. With the Beaubier twins, we got them appearing somewhat geriatric in guest shots. . .
*Whatever color you think the non-red parts are on Spider-Man's costume, they are not blue. They are a combination of the colors used to make caucasian flesh, and blue. Drop the blue, and it gets embarassing for our favorite wallcrawler!
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John Byrne
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Moon Knight's costume is black.
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And here I thought it was silver.
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Andy Mokler
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Personally, I would have preferred they just gone with the "usual" method. I always thought the white highlights didn't look right. Also, using the white to highlight her outfit took away from her platinum hair. Using the blue, her hair stands out much more, which I think it should.
Edited by Andy Mokler on 18 September 2007 at 12:40pm
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Martin Arlt
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The question I always have is at what point do these costumes change? I completely see that Spider-Man's costume was originally black and red, but later in Ditko's run, the costume started to be more or less solid blue, rather than black with blue highlights. For example:
The same sort of thing happened to the original X-Men costumes, especially when Werner Roth was doing the art. Plus, a recent issue of Amazing Spider-Man has a costume reference in the back, referring to the original costume as "blue and red." So while it's accurate to say that Spidey's original costume was black and red, it's just as accurate to say that Spidey's costume IS blue and red.
But how long does it take this kind of a change to take place and be, essentially, irreversible? And, is Marvel (who owns these characters and is, at least in a corporate sense, their "creator") in the wrong for licencing statues of the original X-Men that are painted blue, for example?
Martin Arlt......................................
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