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Eric Kleefeld
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<<Or does anyone really believe Neal intended the Angel to be wearing blue leather boots?>>


Maybe Warren is an Elvis fan, and it's blue suede...
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i never really gave the actual colours much thought, they are the colour they were on the printed page that was good enough for me.

now im wondering,Captain America, blue or black?

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Blue.  Traditional colours of the American flag.
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Black leather with "kewl" Spider-Man fabric patterns for the impending motion picture, tho.  No mask or cowl for extended face-time.  No shield.  And a gun, because he's a soldier.
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I always attributed the many versions of Angels outfits and coloring to him simply being unable to make up his mind what to wear? Silver spoon syndrome? I thought it matched his personality quite well.
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Is Captain America's uniform supposed to be red, white, and navy, like the flag, or blue like the sky?
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This is how Spider-Man looked in his first appearance. Blue spider emblem on a black costume.
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What colors do the Yankees wear and what do the White Sox wear?

 

 



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The Yankees wear blue, the White Sox black.
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And when the Yankees are done with them...the Red Sox are usually black and blue.
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Believe it or not, that's actually the BLUE Jays playing against the Yankees in that photo.
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A question.

When Phoenix became Dark Phoenix, did her costume change from green to red, or black to black?

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I always thought Cyclops' costume was a very, very dark blue.
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But Andrew, that's the ROAD uniform for the Jays. Road unis must be grey/black.
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Kevin, Phoenix's outfit went from green with yellow/gold sash and boots to dark red with yellow/gold sash and boots.

Interestingly, Dave Cockrum's original costume design for Phoenix had her in white. Now that would have made for an interesting Dark Phoenix contrast.
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I a mpretty sure Cap is blue, red and white, like the American flag, even though I think he is colored with somewhat lighter tones. What puzzles me, though, is Cap's shield. It's red white and black or blue?

Comic book rules say it's black, my mind insists it should be blue. What's the deal?

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Angel's costume as blue always made sense me, and still does more than black.  He flies in the sky.
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now im wondering,Captain America, blue or black?



Blue. But, technically, it should be a much darker
blue than we usually see in the comics.

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Angel's costume as blue always made sense me, and still does more than black. He flies in the sky.

I don't recall any issues suggesting Angel's costume is intended as camoflage.

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I always attributed the many versions of Angels outfits and coloring to him simply being unable to make up his mind what to wear? Silver spoon syndrome? I thought it matched his personality quite well.

Small snag there. In AVENGERS 110, penciled by Don Heck and inked by Frank Giacoia and Mike Esposito, Magneto turns up wearing the costume he gave to Angel. (Turns out it was all a plot, of course!) There, altho the costume has the right lines, it is left open for color, so is blue. Even the boots are blue, and drawn as tradition, skin-tight "sock boots", rather than the leather jackboots Neal gave it.

But, to underscore, this is supposed to be the same costume Angel picked up in the Savage Land. Unless we assume an unstated change made in the costume by Magneto, the story requires him to be wearing exactly the same costume he gave to Warren.

In this issue, Cyclops is also drawn with "sock boots" with his costume open for color -- while on the cover he and the other X-Men are shown in their original school uniforms, while Magneto is in his usual red.

All said pretty good examples, I would say, of why we should look upon those variant renderings of Angel's costume as blue, rather than black, as something not at all uncommon in comics: mistakes.

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Blue spider emblem on a black costume.



If that color scheme had been retained, we might not
even be having this discussion!
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When Phoenix became Dark Phoenix, did her
costume change from green to red, or black to
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Black? What black?

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If I understand this discussion correctly, both Storm's black (white highlighted) costume and Cyclops' black (blue highlighted) are purely comic book colors, i.e., conventions of the medium that are very difficult and sometimes impossible to translate to another medium. Their costumes are colored the way they are, that is, with different highlights of the same basic color, because in comic books they look really good, to speak plainly. As a matter of comprehending what the coloring convention conveys it's not trivial to grasp that Superman's hair is black or that part of Spider-Man's costume is black, despite or rather because of the blue highlights. Nonetheless, I'm not so sure it's more important than simply for taking comic books as they are.

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Angel's costume as blue always made sense me, and still does more than black.  He flies in the sky.

I don't recall any issues suggesting Angel's costume is intended as camoflage.
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And as a ten year old, I never thought that it was supposed to be camoflage.  As a ten year old, it just made sense that the color would be blue, it made a lot more sense than the red one, thats for sure.  Twenty-three years later, this is the first time someone seriously brought up that it should be something other than the blue that ten year old saw.



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So basically it's all arbitrary? That's what it sounds like to me...cause like when something breaks the rules, it's all like "well that's a color/fabric not found in real life"?
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