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Charles Jones
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IMHO Weapon X was the start, Origins was the "final cut"
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I agree, Weapon X was a yawn for me, I looked at it purely because Barry Smith had made a comeback to comics and was doing interesting art. The story doesn't seem like it fits with who Wolverine was at the time and after when it became referenced and expanded a million times...
Origins was a huge letdown, we find out Logan was a sickly rich boy and had some kind of story that trails off.
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Roger A Ott II
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I really enjoyed the Weapon X serial because it gave us a little more information on something we already knew: someone put the Adamantium in Wolverine. Now we knew who, but there was still a ton of mystery surrounding it. If it had been left at that, I would have been happy, but then they twisted the story around and added so many other characters to the backstory that it became unreadable.
Weapon X also gets points for featuring some of the best Barry Windsor-Smith art to ever grace a page.
Origin was just a bad idea, period. And James Howlett? Who thought that was a good name?
Edited by Roger A Ott II on 05 October 2007 at 12:55pm
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Flavio Sapha
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BWS' Weapon X was OK
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It´s a great comic yarn. Unfortunately, it contradicted a whole lot of what Claremont had set up about the adamantium bonding process.
Edited by Flavio Sapha on 05 October 2007 at 12:55pm
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Flavio Sapha
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Origin
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A nightmare fueled by too many burritos and a Wuthering Heights re-run.
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Matt Reed
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Wolverine. "Howlett". Get it? "HOWEL...ett"!!! BRILLIANT!!!
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Flavio Sapha
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I guess the thread title could be:
"When did Wolverine jump the shark?"
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Brad Danson
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For me, the character slipped in the Claremont/Miller mini-series. The character had been shrouded in mystery, hardly anything known about him...then all of a sudden he is a great and knowledgeable samurai. I don't think the character should have retained that much memory not to mention that I just don't see the point in him having learned to use a sword.
I re-read it recently (more accurately "read" since I must have only skimmed it as a kid) and it intrigued me enough to start re-reading UNCANNY from that continuity point on. Claremont started doing that type of thing to ALL of his characters in this era. Storm became a bad-ass with a mohawk, totally out of character. Sweet-innocent Kitty became a brooding ninja, totally out of character. Colossus murders someone in anger. Rachael, who's starting point in "Days of future past" was an emotional girl devastated over the loss of her friends was ret-conned into being a murdering mutant "hound". I'm re-reading these thinking, "no wonder I quit reading this comic at this stage."
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Derek Muthart
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Hey JB,
You recently made a comment in another post that your nationalism is what kept Chris from writing Wolverine out of X-men. Was that the point in time you liked the character most?
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Eric Lund
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Howlett is an awful name and I agree the character jumped the shark with the Claremont/Miller mini-series.. He went from a guy that Cyclops had to hold back from rushing into battle frothing at the mouth to Qui Chang Kane from Kung Fu/Uncle Wolvie....
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John Byrne
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In light of what it lead to, Wolverine probably should never have met Mariko.
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Or the intended story should have been done!
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John Byrne
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You recently made a comment in another post that your nationalism is what
kept Chris from writing Wolverine out of X-men. Was that the point in time
you liked the character most?
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I lived in Canada, worked in Canada, and was, at the time, a Canadian
citizen. And Chris wanted to write out the only Canadian superhero Marvel
had.
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Brad Hague
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Up until the original Claremont/Miller mini-series, I really adored the character.
Shortly after that in Uncanny X-Men, Claremont began changing the character from being an impulsive half-feral/half-insecure little man fighting with authority trying to cope with his killer talents (who was afraid still afraid of being shot because his healing factor hadn't been escalated to Superman status) to a different person entirely.
The new Wolverine by the time of the Fall of the Mutants circa UX-M 226 had become some sagacious wizened commander who became the epitome of authority to those around him.
It should be noted that Storm also underwent a drastic change in personality and powers as well during this same time.
I can see a clear difference between Wolverine with Cockrum/Byrne/Smith versus the Wolverine with Romita Jr./Silvestri.
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