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John Byrne
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Could you elaborate (if it doesn't give away something you might use
after you take over the reins at M****l, and restore the glory of a company
with which I grew up)?
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The Wolverine/Mariko story I plotted, and that we would have
used had I stayed on the book, went like this (short form):
Logan and Mariko are in love. For what is probably the first time in his
life, he is happy. He contemplates retiring. He thinks about a little house
in the suburbs and a white picket fence. Bad guys attack. Mariko is
near-fatally injured. For weeks she lies in a coma. The doctors
pronounce her brain dead. Logan refuses to believe it. Jean (as originally
plotted) links his mind to Mariko. There is no one there. She is gone.
She is, he says, like a piece of meat being kept alive by machines. He
pulls the plug. "She ain't meat." He goes and slaughters the bad guys.
(A moment of this storyline ended up in FANTASTIC FOUR. Remember
when Sue has her revenge on the PsychoMan, and tells the others to stay
out of the room where she has left him? That was an echo of the scene I
had envisioned when the X-Men catch up to Wolverine, after he has
caught up to the bad guys.)
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Roque Martinez
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John Byrne wrote:
Is there a Wolverine Totem?
Is there any room for an original idea at ^^*****? |
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The concept is entirely different. However, it's not an original idea by any means. It reminds me of Wolverine's original..er..origin which either Claremont or Cockrum had in mind. It's also a complete rip off of Alex Ross' Wolverine origin from his X series.
Edited by Roque Martinez on 05 October 2007 at 4:12pm
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John Byrne
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It reminds me of Wolverine's original..er..origin which either Claremont or
Cockrum had in mind.
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Chris and Dave originally planned to reveal Wolverine was one of the High
Evolutionary's ani-men. How is this similar?
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Roque Martinez
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In the sense that he wasn't quite a mutant, but something different.
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Michael Andrew Gonoude
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Thanks for the reply, JB. Oh, for what could have been --!
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Greg Reeves
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Yeah, they haven't yet fully revealed what's going on, but apparently Wolverine and Sabretooth were lupine soldiers working for a guy named Romulus in ancient times. Or, they're remembering someone else's life. It also involves Wild Child. Ok, my head hurts...
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Andrew Hess
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JB -
I love this version of the Wolverine/Mariko stoy.
I so wish it were a part of continuity.
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Aaron Smith
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Yeah, they haven't yet fully revealed what's going on, but apparently Wolverine and Sabretooth were lupine soldiers working for a guy named Romulus in ancient times. Or, they're remembering someone else's life. It also involves Wild Child. Ok, my head hurts...
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That has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
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Darren De Vouge
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Jeph Loeb is currently retconning it in the Wolverine title, apparently, Wolverine is some sort of immortal wolf being from ancient times. Works for me. Anything is better than Origin.
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So not only do the ideas suck, they aren't even capable of sticking with one consistant sucky idea. They have to contradict themselves even there.
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Darren De Vouge
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Chris and Dave originally planned to reveal Wolverine was one of the High
Evolutionary's ani-men.
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In all fairness, I can't say I care much for this idea either.
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Robert White
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I re-read Weapon X last night for the first time in its entirety (I read only the first three issues back in the early 90's) having just bought the HC trade. I thoroughly enjoyed the art and writing of BWS. What a talent.
This story is all I need to know about Wolverine pre-X-Men. I think the story was needed to help readers understand what Logan went through during the Weapon X program, but was at the same time properly vague when it came to detail--particularly regarding Logins early life.
I've come full circle in my opinion of Wolverine as my interest in the character has been increasing of late. It has nothing to do with the recent Origin's stuff (which I'm totally against in concept), and certainly nothing to do with his gross over-use, but has everything to do with the realization that when handled properly, Wolverine is truly a great character. It's not his fault he's used as a Golden Goose.
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Matthew McCallum
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John Byrne wrote: "Modern comicbook "writers". There can be no secrets, no mysteries. All must be explained, dissected, deconstructed, demolished, destroyed."
To be fair, John, you pulled back the curtain and showed me what Victor Von Doom's face looked like after the explosion. That one panel put an end to all those debates along the lines of "Is Doom horribly disfigured (the Stan Lee view) or did he suffer just a tiny nick that marred his perfection and his ego equated that scar to total disfigurement (the Jack Kirby view)?" (Personally, I always found that to be a more satisfying debate than "Who is stronger: The Thing or the Hulk?")
Of course, the way everything is ret-conned nowadays, who knows if that reveal is even still applicable...
Edited by Matthew McCallum on 05 October 2007 at 6:02pm
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