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Victor Rodgers
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JB when Kristoff was given Doom's brain, did you intend for it to be for keeps? Or I mean was Kristoff being Doom going to be the new status quo?

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It's too late for someone to steal this story now, I suppose.

I intended Doom to return to Latvaria and absolutely FREAK OUT when he
discovered what his robots had done to Kristoff. Basically -- he'd need a
whole lot of new robots by the time he calmed down. And then he would
devote a whole lot of time and energy to restoring Kristoff. (I had not
decided if he would be successful. Part of my brain wanted him to realize he
needed the help of the other smartest guy on the planet -- and there was
no way he could ever go there!)
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Wow...that was my impression about that storyline...
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I intended Doom to return to Latvaria and absolutely FREAK OUT when he
discovered what his robots had done to Kristoff. Basically -- he'd need a
whole lot of new robots by the time he calmed down. And then he would
devote a whole lot of time and energy to restoring Kristoff.
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Wow. Untill this very moment I had always assumed that Kristoff's brainwashing was Doom's own contingency plan, which, I must add, seemed perfectly in character with Doom as you had written him. I had no idea that the Doombots had gone into business for themselves. I'd even assumed that in Doom's mind this was in no way a form of abuse, since Kristoff could have no higher honor bestowed upon him than to become heir to Doom's magnificent intellect. I wonder- when you say Doom would have "freaked out", would this have been outrage at the treatment Kristoff had been subjected to, or indignance that the Doombots had dared to give Doom's greatest asset, his mind (and ego), to someone else?

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Now that's a Goddamn in-character, twistedly noble Doom.
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That would have been a very cool story. And I think it would have blown the
minds of us fans.
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Wow. Untill this very moment I had always assumed that Kristoff's brainwashing was Doom's own contingency plan, which, I must add, seemed perfectly in character with Doom as you had written him. I had no idea that the Doombots had gone into business for themselves. I'd even assumed that in Doom's mind this was in no way a form of abuse, since Kristoff could have no higher honor bestowed upon him than to become heir to Doom's magnificent intellect. I wonder- when you say Doom would have "freaked out", would this have been outrage at the treatment Kristoff had been subjected to, or indignance that the Doombots had dared to give Doom's greatest asset, his mind (and ego), to someone else?

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I've tended to think the same way, but now that JB has revealed what would have happened, it makes perfect sense.

The Doombots, sophisticated as they are, cannot duplicate the real Von Doom's twisted nobility. So of course they'd go through with such an evil plan, whereas the real Doom would not be pleased at all.

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Wow. Untill this very moment I had always assumed that Kristoff's brainwashing was Doom's own contingency plan, which, I must add, seemed perfectly in character with Doom as you had written him. I had no idea that the Doombots had gone into business for themselves. I'd even assumed that in Doom's mind this was in no way a form of abuse, since Kristoff could have no higher honor bestowed upon him than to become heir to Doom's magnificent intellect. I wonder- when you say Doom would have "freaked out", would this have been outrage at the treatment Kristoff had been subjected to, or indignance that the Doombots had dared to give Doom's greatest asset, his mind (and ego), to someone else?

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I've tended to think the same way, but now that JB has revealed what would have happened, it makes perfect sense.

The Doombots, sophisticated as they are, cannot duplicate the real Von Doom's twisted nobility. So of course they'd go through with such an evil plan, whereas the real Doom would not be pleased at all.

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But don't you think part of the anger would be from Doom's vanity?  After all, only Doom can be Doom.

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But don't you think part of the anger would be from Doom's vanity?  After all, only Doom can be Doom.

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You and I are in total agreement on this on, Marc.  I pretty much said the same thing in the other thread about Doom.

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How would you have tied that into the below (from 1999)?  It definitely sounds like something I'd have read.  Your FF run was full of great moments.

>> I always felt you had bigger plans for Kristoff ... may I ask what was in store for him if you were writing the FF today? <<

JB: Not today, 15 years later! But at the time I left, I was planning a year long arc of interconnected stories under the umbrella title "Doom War". Doctor Doom vs. Kristoff/Doom with the FF frequently caught in the middle. I had not worked out the specifics of the resolution, save that I knew Kristoff would die, and Doom, typically, would find a way to blame the FF.


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That storyline never really sat well with me....but I suspect I've been misinterpreting Doom's (and JB's) intentions all along....I'm very curious to see JB talk about this some more.
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What a story that would have been.  Doom going medieval on his robots.  Wow.
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That storyline never really sat well with me....but I suspect I've been misinterpreting Doom's (and JB's) intentions all along....I'm very curious to see JB talk about this some more.- Vinny Valenti

 

Yeah, me too. This was a major storyline for me back in the day. Damn, I would have loved to have seen "Doom War"

What ultimately did happen to Kristoff, anyway?

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But don't you think part of the anger would be from Doom's vanity?  After all, only Doom can be Doom.

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Yep. Forgot to mention that part.

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Wow. I always thought the brainwashing of Kristoff seemed a bit *too* evil for Doom. Glad to see that wasn't intended to be the case.
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Didn't Kristoff become DOOM 2099 ?


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Eric Smearman
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Isn't Kristoff the Doom of MC2's Fantastic Five?
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Yvonne Christian
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Kristoff seemed to fall off the radar sometime around 1995/1996.  He hasn't been seen since.

The Fantastic Five stories were sort of a What if? Future for the FF.  At least, that's how I interpret it.
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I think MC2 came out of the whole "What if Peter and Mary's daughter survived"
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I'm sure you're right , Daniel. I'm just wondering if the Doom character I've glimpsed in relation to the Fantastic Five is some version of Kristoff.

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Kristoff does don the Doom identity in the "What If?" future of Fantastic Five.
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Walt Simonson did an interesting follow-up to that storyline, I think, in which Doom went up against an army of his former Doombots that had been reprogrammed by Kristoff to be wary of Victor since his reported demise in JB's classic FF260 tale. Dr. Doom prevailed and took back over his kingdom and seal of Latveria.

Some of Simonson's Fantastic Four stories were as excellent as John's, including a battle between Doom and Richards in the temporal medium that shifted anamalously based on inference than on straight sequence and an interesting rendezvouz with Galactus at the center of a black hole along with a few other intergalactic tales.  

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Who was DOOM 2099 ?
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As far as I know, Doom 2099's identity was never revealed for sure. There were clues both for and against him being the real Doctor Doom.
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but his face wasn't scared -- so I thought it was Kristoff (thinking he was Doom)

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