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Mike Farley
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For DC I'd go back to CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS and proceed from there as originally planned a total ground zero reboot of the entire universe. I'd leave MAN OF STEEL, Perez's WONDER WOMAN, and BATMAN YEAR ONE intact and let things go from there.
For Marvel, I'd stop just short of the SECRET WARS. That might (or might not?) sacrifice a few cool bits like She-Hulk in the FF, but that's really the point where I think things started to go slowly wrong.
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Andrew Hess
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. . . and now that I've gone back and read the original question, I see that I've missed the point: it's a re-wind for when the *characters* were at their prime (in our mind), not the comic books themselves.
In that case, I would rewind to about 1965. Spider-Man is in high school and the Marvel books are in their infancy, Batman is coming back to being a detective and DC is going crazy with concepts.
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Mikael Bergkvist
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I'd take both DC and M****l back to 1966.
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Chuck Wells
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JB, probably picked the exact time & place that I would for the rewind anyway, now if we can just leverage the next mega-Powerball winner to buy Marvel.
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Paul Kimball
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I wouldn't reset to an exact time as I'm not willing to lose sandman,
sleeper, starman, manhunter, 100 bullets and a lot of current work but I
would reset back to.....
No crisis on infinite earths, keep all the dc alternate earths
No world war hulk
no civil war
no vision dismantled
no scarlet witch insanity
Peter Parker doesn't marry and Gwen Stacy never hooks up w/Norman
Osbourne
No Marvel girl/jean grey return to life.
No Jason Todd
For Marvel, I suppose i want to return to a time when if a character died,
it meant that might really be dead
For both companies, i want a return to when crossovers and crisis were
rare and meant something and long stories were because a writer had a
worthy idea and not because they were "writing for the trade."
Edited by Paul Kimball on 25 December 2007 at 3:00pm
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Pete Carrubba
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How about just scrapping all the "Crossover Events?" It's been shown time and again that they ruin otherwise great stories. JB's Hatemonger story in FF being Shanghaied by Secret Wars II seems all the more glaring when reading his run as a "self-contained" story in the Fantastic Four Visionaries volumes.
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Scott Nickel
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Jesus Garcia said:
"For Marvel, then, I would say 1967 mostly because of Kirby's FF and Thor. The books were perfect and Kirby was still creating the types of characters that would spin off into other books."
I started reading comics regularly in 1973 (at age 11), and while I'm nostalgic for this period, I'd have to go with 1967 also.
Marvel (the Lee-Kirby vision) was at its peak in 1967 (Fantastic Four, Thor, etc.), and Spider-Man was still an exciting, vibrant property.
Alas, Kirby left the company just 3 years later, and Marvel began endlessly recycling characters and concepts.
Most post-1970 Marvel is just riffing off the 60s stuff, with a few exceptions, of course-- most notably, the 70s and 80s X-Men.
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Lars Sandmark
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I think I know the REAL reason for this exercise!!!
John Byrne has FINALLY got his TIME MACHINE working!
He wants our opinions so he can come up with a particular
date to go back to.
Once he has his date-co-ordinates, he's gonna flux-capacitor M*****'s ass!
Go J.B. go!
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Benny Gelillo
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Hi, John.
1961. I would "Chapter One" the entire Marvel Universe and limit the line to the core titles: FF, Amazing Spider-man, Incredible Hulk, Mighty Thor, Avengers, and X-Men. This is where all the wonder started. It would be an ideal place to get back to the basics.
Benny
Edited by Benny Gelillo on 25 December 2007 at 7:16pm
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Mark Waldman
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Same as you, JB - mid/late 70s was a great comics time for me. Ross Andru on Spider-Man, etc. Loved it.
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Steven Myers
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I'd wind Marvel forward…
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"Would you like the red car or the blue car?"
"I'll take the green one."
sigh
Hmmm...I thought I had it, but my idea doesn't correspond to a real-life date, so no, my answer doesn't work and I don't have an answer. Sorry. (Made sense when I typed it...) I do want the green car...but that's another thread...
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Noah Smith
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JB's mid-seventies choice is a good one. I was born in 1976 so I didn't really start reading until the early 80s, but a lot of the merchandising stuff -- coloring books, toys, etc -- I had as a little kid were based on 70s era. So that feels "right" to me in a way that even the actual comics I read didn't.
Now, if this WERE part of some event, and fans would probably shriek if it weren't, I'd say 1985/86. Secret Wars II just ended with the Beyonder turning into a new universe, so we can say every Marvel comic since then took place in that universe. Meanwhile in the REAL place, we're in a decent status quo, other than Magneto being good, which could be undone easily.
For DC, probably about 1983. Pre-Crisis, pre-Nightwing, the JLA includes everyone from the founders to Firestorm.
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