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Scott McKeeve Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 11 November 2007 Posts: 835
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Posted: 27 December 2007 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | 1
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From famous politicians and leaders like Sadat, MLK, Ghandi and JFK to lesser known people like James Reeb, Theo van Gogh, Óscar Romero & Ita Ford, any agent of true change and reform faces the very real threat of a violent death in today's world. It's a brutal reality that is probably not going away any time soon.
This is a sad, sad day but we can hope that some good will come of it. Sadat's peace accord with Israel still stands today, largely because of his legacy. Ghandi & King are both almost universaly revered today when in their own times they were hated and villified by a very large percentage of the population.
I don't think it would be unreasonable to hope that in twenty or thirty years Prime Minister Bhutto's name will have become synonymous with peaceful reform in Pakistan, much like Mohandas "Mahatma" Gandhi is in India today.
But it still sucks.
Edited by Scott McKeeve on 27 December 2007 at 3:18pm
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1974
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Posted: 27 December 2007 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | 2
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From Vinnie's link: Although it remains difficult to know for certain, I doubt that a
suicide bomber was involved in the attack on me. I suspect, after
talking to some of the injured, that the terrorists used a small child
as a ploy to get to me. They were trying to hoist the child -- dressed
in the colors of my party's flag -- onto my truck. Failing to do
so, they dropped the child near my vehicle. Some witnesses said the
child had been rigged as a human bomb. I can't be sure. What followed
was a massive explosion, killing scores immediately, tearing many
bodies in half and sending blood, gore and flames up into the vehicle. Insanity, barbarism, and evil, all rolled up into one.
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John Wyatt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 December 2006 Posts: 125
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Posted: 27 December 2007 at 3:35pm | IP Logged | 3
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The ones who advocating suicide bombing as martyrdom are twisting Islam in a way not unlike those who justify killing abortion doctors by twisting Chrisitanity. The Koran is pretty clear that suicide is a sin.
Bin Laden and his ilk think calling suicide bombing 'martydom' makes it not suicide, but it is.
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Carmen Bernardo Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 August 2006 Location: United States Posts: 3666
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Posted: 27 December 2007 at 6:13pm | IP Logged | 4
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Unfortunately, this is just like the Mafia in the Italian neighborhoods. Too many good people are either afraid of being silenced in some spectacular and gruesome fashion (along with scores of innocent bystanders) or just don't want to be targeted by those who go along with the bloody-minded fanatacism being promoted as "true faith". Sooner or later, like the German people during the war against Hitler's Nazis, they will be subjected to even greater horrors, whether it is the United States pulling the trigger or some other world power stepping in if it pulls out.
It's sad, really. Bhutto was a modern thinker amongst the Pakistani people, basically exiled because she didn't support the status quo of the military leadership. It was bound to happen sooner or later, this assassination. What happens next is unknown at this point.
My prayers go out to those people. Judging from the men and women that I've worked with in my time, there are some good people getting swept up in this new horror for our 21st Century. Let's hope that something happens soon to prevent it from spreading worldwide again.
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1974
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Posted: 27 December 2007 at 9:14pm | IP Logged | 5
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Albert: Plus, at the risk of sounding even more shallow than I actually am, she
was the only modern female leader I can recall who happened to be,
well...a babe!
By the way, let me direct you towards the prime minister of the Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko.
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Brian Hunt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5178
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Posted: 27 December 2007 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | 6
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Very depressing.
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Byron Berry Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 183
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Posted: 27 December 2007 at 9:44pm | IP Logged | 7
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This whole thing smells like three-day-old fish
We all saw that Musharraf was refusing to step down and he has conveniently placed the blame on those he already opposes and is trying to crush
Since he is " friendly" to the american govt. He will not have any fingers pointed at him by Bush or our western media. You have to look at other news coverage from unbiased countrys for any allegations of that.
The whole thing reads like a badly written TV movie, easy to see the plot.
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Philippe Negrin Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 August 2007 Location: France Posts: 2644
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Posted: 28 December 2007 at 3:14am | IP Logged | 8
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I have a bad feeling about 2008...
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Guests Byrne Robotics Visitor
Joined: 01 October 2003 Posts: -26
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Posted: 02 January 2008 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | 9
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Another modern female leader who speaks for democracy is Aung San Suu Kyi of Burma (Myanmar). I am surprised she is still alive after all these years!
http://www.asiaamerica.org/
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Chris Durnell Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1235
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Posted: 03 January 2008 at 12:11am | IP Logged | 10
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It's important to note, as terrible a tragedy as this is, that Bhutto and her family were extremely corrupt. They helped ruin Pakistan, and it was her original regime that is partly responsible for the current mess Pakistan is in. There is a lot of evidence concerning her government's complicity with the Taliban and giving North Korea nuclear technology. I am not convinced another reign by her would have been better than Musharraf. Of course, it would be better if this had not happened.
And if you are looking for a "babe" that is a modern female leader, google Yulia Tymoshenko of Ukraine.
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Guests Byrne Robotics Visitor
Joined: 01 October 2003 Posts: -26
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Posted: 04 January 2008 at 7:27pm | IP Logged | 11
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I wonder how long it takes her to prepare and style her hair? That braid looks like something a gal in a Star Wars movie would wear! And the links are incredibly symmetric and tight!
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Location: England Posts: 11252
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Posted: 05 January 2008 at 3:46am | IP Logged | 12
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The sad thing is to Prime Minister claiming that she died from banging her head on the sunroof handle not the gunshots or bomb.In an face to face with a BBC reporter he bare face lied in the face of filmed evidence.
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