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Richard Stevens
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Maybe Spider-Man is the perpetual youth trying to be a man and Mr.
Spiderman is the married guy who "takes out the trash" in a mundane,
literal sense.
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Mike Bunge
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"But if that alternate timeline actually WORKS, and DOES address most if
not all of those continuity problems, and gets you to the endpoint that
everybody has agreed upon, I say go for it."
1. I'm not sure it can work, given the nature of this retcon.
2. Even if it did work, it would take a hell of a lot to explain. We're talking about hundreds and hundreds of issues of Spider-Man comics that have been affected by OMD. If you say you've got an explanation for how all those changes make sense, fans are going to want to hear it. And they're not just going to want to hear about the big stuff, like Harry being alive. They're also going to care about every last little thing, too. By saying you have an answer, you're encouraging fans to ask questions and answering those questions would then become both a major and minor element of Spider-Man comics for years to come. JoeQ's "It's magic, bitches!" leaves fans with the choice of either accepting it or rejecting it, but no one's going to waste any time trying to make sense of it...because M****l isn't even trying to do that.
Mike
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Flavio Sapha
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how I hate the Spider-Man is about "responsibility" crowd
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I wouldn´t go as far as that, but, I, too, remember a time when this wasn´t trumpeted every single issue (which is just bad writing, to my ear).
Spider-man did what he did because it was the right thing to do, and he was able to do it. Being Spider-man (and Peter Parker) was often a burden, but it was shown in a myriad of different ways, not preached. If I read the "with great power..." line one more time, I might scream!
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Michael Heide
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"What's the difference? It's on the friggin' cover!"
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Yeah, and that is pathetic, I agree. But at least it's on a billboard in the background of the artwork, not on a cover blurb. The billboard at least can be explained away.
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Glenn Greenberg
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<<< Even if it did work, it would take a hell of a lot to explain. We're
talking about hundreds and hundreds of issues of Spider-Man comics
that have been affected by OMD. If you say you've got an explanation for
how all those changes make sense, fans are going to want to hear it. And
they're not just going to want to hear about the big stuff, like Harry being
alive. They're also going to care about every last little thing, too. By
saying you have an answer, you're encouraging fans to ask questions and
answering those questions would then become both a major and minor
element of Spider-Man comics for years to come. JoeQ's "It's magic,
bitches!" leaves fans with the choice of either accepting it or rejecting it,
but no one's going to waste any time trying to make sense of it...because
M****l isn't even trying to do that.>>>
"Everything happened--it just didn't happen exactly the way it did the
first time around, because of the changes that were made by Mephisto."
Venom was indeed created, and he did terrorize Mary Jane, but she and
Peter weren't married. They were together, but not married.
Kraven's Last Hunt occurred, the only difference being that Peter and
Mary Jane weren't married. Together, but not married.
Which is exactly what Marvel is saying with regards the version of OMD
that did see print.
Hell, I've got a way that they could STILL bring back Gwen Stacy and it
wouldn't nullify any of the stories that were done since 1972.
Edited by Glenn Greenberg on 08 January 2008 at 3:13pm
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Mike Bunge
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""Everything happened--it just didn't happen exactly the way it did the
first time around, because of the changes that were made by Mephisto."
Which is exactly what Marvel is saying with regards the version of OMD
that did see print."
But, just as an example, how the hell did CIVIL WAR happen without Peter revealing his secret identity? How did those New Avengers stories happen? There's a bunch of questions like that to which there is no legitimate answer, or the answer would be so incredibly complex that you'd need an entire story-arc to explain it.
Mike
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Paulo Pereira
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The best answer is probably "try not to think about it."
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Ernest Voyard
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Victor - what do you mean, what don't you like about his analysis. I think that he makes some valid points. Are you suggesting the OMD was a good story?
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Nicky DeVito
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You guys really need to look at the cover.
There is a hyphen there.
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Michael Heide
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"But, just as an example, how the hell did CIVIL WAR happen without
Peter revealing his secret identity? How did those New Avengers
stories happen? There's a bunch of questions like that to which there
is no legitimate answer, or the answer would be so incredibly complex
that you'd need an entire story-arc to explain it."
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Civil War happened. Peter revealed his identity. Since then, everyone forgot. The name might be on the tip of their tongues, but they can't remember. The same with his face. It's like... remember that guy on the news three months ago?
Don't forget that in the Marvel Universe, Peter isn't that famous.
The bigger question (that is easily answered) would be: What happens if one were to look at the footage of the press conference? Will Peter's face be blurred out? Changed into somebody else? Are there any copies of the footage left at all?
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Glenn Greenberg
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<<<But, just as an example, how the hell did CIVIL WAR happen without
Peter revealing his secret identity? How did those New Avengers stories
happen? There's a bunch of questions like that to which there is no
legitimate answer, or the answer would be so incredibly complex that
you'd need an entire story-arc to explain it.>>>
That situation exists NOW. Had JMS done the story his way, then the
readers would presumably be no better or worse off than they are at this
very moment. But based on what JMS said at Newsarama, it seems like he
at least a rationale for how much of it would have fallen into place.
Seems to me that a workable compromise between the JMS version and
the JQ would have been possible--use JMS's starting point as to when the
Big Change began (I think JQ said ASM #96-98 or thereabouts) and marry
that with JQ's viewpoint that everything happened, no stories were
nullified, but they didn't happen exactly the way we saw them happen
originally.
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Nicky DeVito
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Also, technically:
(Amazing Fantasy #15)
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