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Paulo Pereira
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At 6:20 this morning I got a phone call. A bad one that I have been waiting for. My mother passed today.

My condolences, Gregg.

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My mom passed away a few years ago.

What Matt Hawes wrote sums up my feelings perfectly.
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JMS wanted to tie everything to a single divergent point - the drug storyline in ASM #96-98.  Peter would tell someone his concerns about Harry, which meant that Harry would get treatment sooner.  This would create a domino effect that would leave Harry and MJ together, Gwen and Norman would have never slept together, Gwen would still be alive, Harry would still be alive, MJ and Peter would have never married, etc., etc.  I don't know if the thought was that the more "important stories" would have still happened, albeit in modified form, but that was the starting point.

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Something to note here--JMS never bothered to explain when the supposed indescretion between Gwen and Norman took place. So, J.R. "MadGoblin" Fettinger theorized in an essay--

http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/GreenwithEvil/DeFloweringGwen .html

-- that it may have occurred right after Spider-Man--with some help from Osborn--rescued Gwen and Captain Stacy from the Kingpin in ASM # 61. Fettinger said that maybe Gwen went to thank Osborn for his aid, and felt an attraction to him at this time. Gwen then had the twins when she ran off to London during ASM # 93-98.

Of course, this is all reading between the lines on the part of a fan trying to rationalize a poorly-conceived story, and there is absolutely nothing in the previously existing canon to support it.

However, this fails to consider that in JMS' story, it is said that Gwen came back from Paris (where she gave birth) shortly before her death, a trip which A) Was never mentioned in the original stories, and B) There was no time or room for in the original stories.

 

Nevertheless, the writers of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Spider-Man (2005) adopted this non-canon fan-theory (that Gwen screwed Osborn when she went to thank him for saving her life in ASM # 61) and turned it into an "official" explaination for Gwen Stacy's biographical entry. It has since turned up in a few official and unofficial publications.

But, given what JMS is now saying, the indescretion supposedly occurred when Gwen ran off during ASM # 93-98, and then she gave birth during the three reprint issues (that weren't true reprints) prior to her death, ASM #116-118, which JMS calls "three months" of blank continuity slate. Which is incorrect.



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At 6:20 this morning I got a phone call. A bad one that I have been waiting for. My mother passed today.
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My condolences.

You might want to take a break from the negativity and arguing pertaining to this topic for a while.

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I'm sorry, Gregg.  May you find some comfort in our thoughts and prayers during this very difficult time.
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My condolences, Gregg.
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Brian Hunt
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Sorry for your loss Gregg.
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Sorry for your loss, Gregg.
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Sorry to hear that, Gregg.
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Sympathies, Gregg.
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Sincerest condolences to you and yours, Gregg.
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So sorry to hear that Gregg.
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Yes, condolences Greg...

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Matt Hawes wrote;

My father passed away late last year. Even though I was very close to my father, if there is a devil (which is what Mephisto is supposed to represent at Marvel, hence that name), I would never make a deal with such a being. Again, if there is a devil, there would be nothing truly good to come out of such a deal. The devil isn't supposed to be a great guy, and there's always a catch. Besides, I am definitely certain that my father, who had strong beliefs in regard to religion, wouldn't approve.

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Nor do I think May would have approved of this.  I doubt many would argue also that this decision was out of character for MJ as well.  While that last point could be argued sure, to go one further and deal with Mephisto to become a tights wearing super heroine is completely NOT MJ - what with everything she struggled to accept about Peter being Spidey etc... regardless of her expecting to be single again and maybe alone I still cannot believe for one minute that request was an MJ trait!  Talk about killing many birds with one stone; Spidey, MJ, Continuity, Love of Marvel, Credibility...
 
A fan-boy fix - the worst kinda fix...


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I'm so sorry, Gregg.

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Very sorry for your loss, Gregg.
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No. Sorry, but no. I fully appreciate how much "trouble" I will get into for
this, but no. I cannot let this pass without comment.

Using the only hours past death of your own mother to make a point about a
comicbook story?

There are not sufficient words in the English language to properly express
my disgust.
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No offence to Gregg, but I view Internet Deaths in a very similar fashion to Comic Book ones. It's worth not investing too much into it as you never know when it will be retconned.

Which means alas, that the genuine sufferers being tarred with the same brush.

 

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"...there was no despite about it."

I think you misunderstood my post, John. I was referring to Peter Parker as a college student, which definitely made him older than his target audience (like you discovering the character at age 13). I was responding to Dave Phelp's claim that Spider-Man only became Marvel's flagship character once he left high school behind.

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No offence to Gregg, but I view Internet Deaths in a very similar fashion to Comic Book ones. It's worth not investing too much into it as you never know when it will be retconned.

Which means alas, that the genuine sufferers being tarred with the same brush.

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Sad, but true.

It chills me to think that someone would fake the death of a family member so as to bolster an argument about a comic book. Not to say that's what's happened here, but the timing seems rather...convenient. Of course, if this death is genuine, then I again offer my condolences.

We've had a few messy incidents around here where trolling forum members pretended to die themselves, and then assumed the role of a friend or relative to "break the news".

Unfortunately, in the age of the Internet, these things have to be viewed with some emotional distance at best, and suspicion at worst.

Which is deeply sad.

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We've had a few messy incidents around here where trolling forum members pretended to die themselves, and then assumed the role of a friend or relative to "break the news".

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What, when did this happen?

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 Greg Kirkman wrote:
...We've had a few messy incidents around here where trolling forum members pretended to die themselves, and then assumed the role of a friend or relative to "break the news"...

That's disturbing. Sadly, it is not surprizing, but it is disturbing.

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Victor, it happened this past year on the forum. I won't give the guy any more publicity by naming him again.
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JB:  No. Sorry, but no. I fully appreciate how much "trouble" I will get into for
this, but no. I cannot let this pass without comment.


It's good that you know this, especially since you are putting a few new projects on the market after a bit of a dry spell.  Your comments will spread all over the internet and through comic stores, and will definitely hurt your chances of success.  I'm of the belief that the art is important and the artist trivial, but I'm in the minority.  But hey, why censor yourself on this vastly important subject, and why give one of your fans a bit of slack?  It's already been a long and successful career, and fans are a dime a dozen.
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My sympathies as well, Gregg.

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…fans are a dime a dozen.

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Your words, not mine.
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