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Aaron Smith
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Been waiting a long time to say that, Howard?
Happy New Year!
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Greg Kirkman
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The Clone Saga is really just a minor speed bump compared to the last six or so years' worth of events.
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Zaki Hasan
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Personally I wouldn't go back quite that far...for me, at least, the wheels really came off the wagon with "Sin's Past," in '04.
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Greg Kirkman
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Yeah, that was when the most recent/biggest problems began, but the beginning of JMS' run in 2001 introduced the Spider-Totem stuff, and it began to snowball from there.
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Brian Hunt
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I was enjoying JMS's run with JRjr until JRjr left. I was still reading when Sins Past came along and that was it. That story was so awful I never bought another issue. That story was a bad idea, but it was made worse by Quesada's intervention.
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Michael Roberts
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Up until The Other, the Spider-Totem stuff could be (and briefly was) easily
handwaved away by saying Ezekiel was lying. Sins Past, the Other, and the
unmasking are not so easily washed away.
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Zaki Hasan
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That's how I feel as well, Michael.
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Stephen Robinson
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The Clone Saga is really just a minor speed bump compared to the last six or so years' worth of events.
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SER: Well aside from Peter's foray into domestic battery, the folks in charge during the Clone Saga didn't do anything that was permanently character damaging. That's the key, for me. Bad stories can be ignored. Unfortunately, the mentality of creators these days is to treat every dotted i in ever story as gospel that must be addressed or referenced. It becomes an anchor on the character.
Back in the day, Superman's parents could still be alive somewhere in outer space, Flash could have been given his powers by an imp, and Bruce Wayne could have had an insane older brother, and those stories could be swept under the rug as the products of bad sushi and cheap whiskey.
I almost wept when I saw a comic on the stands that involved Booster Gold going back in time to try to stop the Joker from paralyzing Barbara Gordon (of course he fails because she was *destined* to be paralyzed -- you know, like Bruce Wane was destined to have his back broken permanently and for Jason Todd to remain dead permanently... grrr). I can't believe this 20-year-old story is still being trotted out this way (and with the artist basically redrawing panels from The Killing Joke).
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Thomas Moudry
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Is the Spider-reboot going to create a Donna Troy-effect in the Marvel
Universe? It would seem to have the potential...
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John Byrne
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I was enjoying JMS's run with JRjr until JRjr left. I was still reading when Sins
Past came along and that was it. That story was so awful I never bought
another issue.
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Often observed phenomenon: so many writers whose stories are suddenly
not so good without a good artist drawing them.
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Chad Carter
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I'm going with Web-Man until further notice. If you deepened the blue facemask, gloves and boots, and deepened the red, I'd be all over this color switch.
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Erin Anna Leach
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You know, I think I'm just going to go back to the old philosophy I had on reading comics as a teenager. " If I read it and like it, I'll buy it. If I don't like it, I'll find a comic book I do like and spend my money on that . " I'm not saying this in a harsh way, or in any way supporting any comic book company right now. I can't change what Marvel or DC is doing right now. The only way I could, is if I were EIC of one of them. If that is in my career's future, it's a ways off. The only other thing I can do, is try to have the best care I can with the work I'm already doing in comics.
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