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Paulo Pereira
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Posted: 08 January 2008 at 10:30am | IP Logged | 1  

Here is the sequence from NEW AVENGERS #2 --

Not sure what is going on on the second page with all the BOOOMs.



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Michael Heide
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"...even in the movies, the only reason Harry hates Spider-Man is the
death of his father.

So if Norman never died in the comics, why would Harry ever have reason
to hate Spider-Man?

Maybe Norman is going back into his box under the ground, and the guy
walking around now who looks and acts like Norman is really a Skrull. Or
Harry blames Spider-Man for the death of Gwen."

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Which would actually be an interesting twist.

And I read the pages Paulo posted as "Sentry flew Carnage into space and ripped him apart". Is there another way to interpret them?
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 Michael Heide wrote:
]And I don't worry about the typo in the background. 90% of the people in the real world don't spell Spider-Man with the hyphen. So why should it be different in the Marvel Universe?

Because people "in the Marvel Universe" are the writers/artists/letterers/editors who create the stories and should know better?

Everywhere it counts, Spider-Man is spelled with a hyphen.  It's a weak justification to say that some spell it wrong, so doing so is actually OK.

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I would say the page with all the "Boom" sound effects is Sentry flying Carnage up through the levels of the Raft on his journey into orbit.  I read the pages the same way Michael did.
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One of my earliest online encounters was with a self-proclaimed World's Biggest Spiderman Fan. When I suggested that perhaps someone who embraced that title for himself should at least learn to spell the name of the character properly, he said that an websearch would show that plenty of people spelled it "Spiderman" so that made it okay.

It's okay to be stupid as long as everyone else is stupid.

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I always read the man in 'Spiderman' like the one in 'Silverman.'  Maybe it's because of that episode of "Friends."  Anyway, the hyphen is there, as plain as day, in the logo.  Just because 90% forget it, doesn't make it not incorrect to exclude it.
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I would say the page with all the "Boom" sound effects is Sentry flying Carnage up through the levels of the Raft on his journey into orbit.

Thanks for the explanation.

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…the hyphen is there, as plain as day, in the logo. Just because 90% forget
it, doesn't make it not incorrect to exclude it.

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Thing that bugs me, this is one of those points that so many of the more
screeching fanboys get so adamant about -- their "right" to misspell the
name if they "want to". As if suggesting that spelling the name correctly is
stripping them of something the Founding Fathers wanted protected.

Often, they are the same ones who screech when any part of the mythology
is altered. The dichotomy apparently eludes them.
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Yeah, I don't get that either.  Bugs the crap out of me.  One extra keystroke separates right from wrong.  One.
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<<<Since when does Harry (in his normal, sane, non-Goblin mode) hate
Spider-Man (aside from in the movies, that is)?>>>

Exactly!

And even in the movies, the only reason Harry hates Spider-Man is the
death of his father.

So if Norman never died in the comics, why would Harry ever have reason
to hate Spider-Man?

Maybe Norman is going back into his box under the ground, and the guy
walking around now who looks and acts like Norman is really a Skrull. Or
Harry blames Spider-Man for the death of Gwen.

+++++++++++

I don't have a problem if some new motivation for Harry's hatred of Spider-Man is established.

What concerns me is that apparent belief by the people now writing the book is that Harry "still" hates Spider-Man--as if he always did.

I see two possibilities:

1. The current creative team is lacking in knowledge of Spider-Man's history.

2. This is a deliberate attempt to make Comic Harry more like Movie Harry.

 

Originally, Harry snapped after witnessing his father's death (and drugs helped with that). He blamed Spider-Man for his father's death, and really got mad when he discovered that his own roomate and best friend was secretly his most hated foe.

However, after losing his memories of his life as the Goblin, Harry bore no ill will toward either Peter or Spider-Man, until his Goblin memories (and hallucinations of his late father egging him on) caused him to snap for good, which caused the chain of events that led to his own death (although he did make peace with Peter right before he died).

 

And I'm hoping that Norman is dead again, and that those ****ing Stacy twins never existed.



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Also, to me, Spider-Man just looks better than Spiderman.
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I don't have a problem if some new motivation for Harry's hatred of Spider-Man is established.

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SER: My problem with it in concept stems to what I thought was a neat thematic element of early Spider-Man stories: Kids (Flash Thompson and co.) loved him but adults hated him (Aunt May and JJJ) while the reverse was true for Peter himself.

Betty Brant, a young person working in an adult world, straddled the fence, as did Robertson.

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