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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 132338
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Posted: 23 February 2008 at 5:42pm | IP Logged | 1
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…she didn't seem "spidery" enough. She flies, and shoots
force blasts? How is that a spider?
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Roger Stern told me of a writer who was to be assigned to SPIDER-WOMAN
saying he planned to move her to NYC because LA "doesn't have enough tall
buildings for her to swing from".
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 29 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7593
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Posted: 23 February 2008 at 6:09pm | IP Logged | 2
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I don't know much about the High Evolutionary but, taking his name at face value, I'm assuming he uses advanced science to evolve creatures. Which leads me to wonder if a spider would, at any point in the evolutionary process, turn into a beautiful caucasian woman?
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John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
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Posted: 23 February 2008 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | 3
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Which leads me to wonder if a spider would, at any point in the evolutionary process, turn into a beautiful caucasian woman?•• The High Evolutionary's Ani-men are manipulated beyond anything Mother Nature would have been able to accomplish. Various breeds of feline, for instance, have been running around on this ol' globe for as long as we have, but none of them have ever stood up on their hind legs and started talking! A spider would become a beautiful Caucasian woman if that was what the High Evolutionary wanted --- and he did (at least as Archie intended)!
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Steven Myers Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5626
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Posted: 23 February 2008 at 7:07pm | IP Logged | 4
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Spider-Woman shared the name with Spider-Man, but nothing else. Her powers were different, her background totally different, and her comics much much less popular... Was she perhaps the first "feminine version" that wasn't a junior copy of the male?
I liked the Claremont version, also Stern bringing Jessica back to life in the Avengers.
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Darren De Vouge Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 December 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 3586
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Posted: 23 February 2008 at 7:21pm | IP Logged | 5
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She flies, and shoots force blasts? How is that a spider?
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She glides (rather than flies) with the help of her Hydra-designed high-tech costume and also shoots venom blasts which her body manufactures. This was one of the things I found most "creepy" about her. Another was her "alarm-allure signals" which caused all the men around her to be attracted and all women repulsed by her. She had to take medication to stop that from happening. Creepy stuff.
Edited by Darren De Vouge on 23 February 2008 at 7:35pm
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Thomas Moudry Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5060
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Posted: 23 February 2008 at 7:58pm | IP Logged | 6
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Thanks for the information, JB!
I'm glad to know so many others loved Spider-Woman as much as I did.
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Chris Durnell Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1235
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Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:35pm | IP Logged | 7
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Spider-Woman certainly had a darker flavor than other superhero titles. I enjoyed that very much. And Carmine Infantino's art was gorgeus. She is a very evocative character, but it's very different than standard superhero stuff. Unfortunately, many writers did not know what to do with her.
In many ways, she and Moon Knight are perfect examples of the horror/monster heroes that did fit the Marvel Universe that titles like Tomb of Dracula, Werewolf by Night, and others (no matter how good they might have been in and of themselves) did not. I prefer my genres separate, and a "true" horror comic just does not fit with a superhero setting, although horror elements can certainly be introduced.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | 8
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You are right, Chris -- Spider-Woman definitely had a horror flavor to it early on, particularly when Marv Wolfman was writing the book. I think that's why I didn't really like it as a kid, but having discovered it through the Essentials in recent years, I like it a lot.
When Mark Gruenwald took over the writing chores, it became much more of a traditional superhero book, but a good one.
The book lost a lot of steam after the first 20 issues or so. The whole premise of the book changes -- Jessica moves out of Los Angeles and goes to San Francisco, where she becomes a private investigator. Most of the supporting cast leaves, too. Spider-Woman never was quite the same after Gruenwald and Infantino left the title.
But I would highly recommend the first 20 or so issues.
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Thomas Moudry Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 23 February 2008 at 9:36pm | IP Logged | 9
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I enjoyed Chris Claremont's tenure on the title with Steve Leialoha...
...didn't so much enjoy the last four issues or so after Claremont's departure.
Edited by Thomas Moudry on 23 February 2008 at 9:37pm
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John Harris Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 February 2008 at 1:42am | IP Logged | 10
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I was a big fan of Spider-Womans initial run. I particularly liked the earlier issues that were more horror slanted with the bizarre villains like the Needle, Brothers Grimm, and the flesh eating shape changing guy from issue 18 ( I think). Fun stuff!
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Joakim Jahlmar Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 October 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 6080
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Posted: 24 February 2008 at 11:01am | IP Logged | 11
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I remember reading quite a few issues of her Swedish comicbook when I was younger... I should probably get that first Essential, and permit myself some nostalgia.
Btw, where is that beautiful Thor page JB posted from? And is that the first appearance of the High Evolutionary?
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 February 2008 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 12
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Joakim, the Evolutionary's first appearance was in THOR #134 and judging from the dialogue of that page it looks like it's likely from that issue.
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