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Christopher Alan Miller
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Posted: 19 September 2008 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | 1  

Isn't McCain supposed to be just like Bush?

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Posted: 19 September 2008 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | 2  

I can readily understand why speculators/gamblers/parasites that have ruined the American economy would not like LaRouche from looking over LaRouche's proposals.  I can also see that LaRouche, like myself, rejects certain statistics.  He's not the only one though.  I watched CNBC today and there were all sorts of opinions being tossed around. 

Tremonti wasn't running for office further research shows.  He is appointed.  I don't know what quotes were left out but I do like this:

In discussions yesterday, Lyndon LaRouche emphasized that the actual breakdown which he had forecast on July 25, 2007 has already occurred, and as of now, there will be no return to the system that existed prior to September 2008. Only a new design of a system echoing the intentions of Franklin Roosevelt at the 1944 Bretton Woods conference could rescue the world's physical economy under present, post-August 2008 conditions.

To this end, LaRouche specified four necessary steps:

Step #1: Put the present international monetary system into bankruptcy reorganization.

Step #2: Create a new system, a credit system, rather than a monetary system, in the form of an appropriately modern version of President Franklin Roosevelt's intention for a Bretton Woods system.

Step #3: Organize the new system on the basis of an extended form of the 1648 Peace of Westphalia system, rather than a conflict-system. The IMF must be replaced by a treaty organization among participating sovereign nation-states with complementary long-term economic missions of scientific and related progress per-capita and per-square kilometer of territory.

Step #4: Define a common, long-term mission-orientation of two or more generations' span for increase of the productive powers of labor among nations generally.




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Things haven't really stabilized.  What happened was central banks injected 100s of billions of dollars into the stock market etc. to prop up the system and attempt to convince people things are fine.  That didn't stop the crises. 

Things are not fine and the crises has not abated.

McCain's gaffe was silly but then again he looks like Galbraith next to Bush.

EDIT: Morgan Stanley next?  BBC reports they are the next victim.  




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Christopher Alan Miller
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You're agreeing with LaRouche now? Couldn't you have picked someone more credible like Dionne Warwick and her pyschic friends?
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Radical bailout plan has a jawdropping price tag


GWB's little goodbye gift. Thanks for all the memories, pal !

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And Obama agrees with Bush's plan.
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I read or heard this somewhere else : America is Capitalism on the upside and Socialism on the downside. Now that the wealthy are in trouble as well, Big Government just can't be big enough. 

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U.S. Debt May Grow $1 Trillion on Rescue, Barclays' Pond Says

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You're agreeing with LaRouche now? Couldn't you have picked someone more credible like Dionne Warwick and her pyschic friends?

I do agree with the proposals laid out above.  Yep.

They make far more sense than anything I've seen so far. 

Who do you agree with?  Seriously? 

I don't care about the controversy surrounding a politician like LaRouche.  That's natural in politics. 

I don't buy them either.  Looking at the websites (thanks Mike) the guy comes off as a FDR-style Democrat.  
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Gov. Sarah Palin's favorable/unfavorable ratings have suffered a stunning 21 point collapse in just one week, according to Research 2000 polling. Last week, 52% approved and 35% disapproved of the GOP vice presidential nominee (+17 net). This week, 42% approved and 46% disapprove (-4 net).

Awesome.
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Posted: 19 September 2008 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | 11  

The name "Research 2000" sounds futuristic, but we are in the year 2008 so it should look dated.



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Gov. Sarah Palin's favorable/unfavorable ratings have suffered a stunning 21 point collapse in just one week, according to Research 2000 polling. Last week, 52% approved and 35% disapproved of the GOP vice presidential nominee (+17 net). This week, 42% approved and 46% disapprove (-4 net).

Awesome.

I just read on the AP, that bridge to nowhere that she says she later turned against, yes she was first for it then against it, but kept 238 million tax dollars. She is bogged down with an on-going investigation, she still can't answer tough questions. McCain looked bad picking her. For the first time since Bobby Kennedy, a democrat is leading in Indiana.


 

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Posted: 19 September 2008 at 11:15pm | IP Logged | 13  

Ah, the real world marches on. Propaganda pudding was so easy to digest. It has been so easy to run with the pithy rhetoric of "freeing" the markets from government control so that manna would fall from the heavens. All those evil regulations simply stand in the way of all that trickle-ly goodness. Government bad. Business good. - Get out of the way! It is never a bad time for making a profit.

As I said before, we live with a government and society hell bent on private wealth, public poverty. Except the new mantra has now been correctly adjusted: it is now an economy of private profit and socialized losses. For all the florid economic writing, flow charts and statistics, the one thing they don't seem to be teaching to MBA's is Ethics. This disaster was fueled by greed and deception. So now the American people are to pick up the tab to the tune of a trillion dollars -or more. A curious turn of events, given the hew and cry over all things socialized.

Why all the fuss here over socialized health care? What could it cost??? A trillion dollars?  We now thrown that kind of money around with but 4 days of deliberation. Piece of cake. We threw that kind of money around via Iraq... with no fruit falling from that tree. So returns isn't an issue.

Once again the great Christmas tree has been shaken! Everyone cheer.

There will be private wealth. There will be public poverty in the form of massive debt while government at all levels operating in the red. And the sheeple will placated with Propoganda... "Read my lips..." Which is almost as big a lie as "We will cut spending."

Cut spending??? Ha! At this point, thanks to our latest round of Christmas in September, 2 out of every 10 dollars will go just to pay interest on the national debt. The war machine will have to be replenished. Medicare cuts? I think not. Add in a few more essentials no American would be without and you get the same budget mess we currently enjoy.

And Social Security??? Forget about it. There'd be hell to pay and then some. (And it will be awhile before anyone dares to mention the word privatizing in a sentence paired with Social Security. Not in this climate.)

-All of which guarantees an INCREASE in expenditures.

And it is but a matter of time before a few of those MBA's figure out how to milk the golden cow that is this new bail out system.

Welcome to the new reality where the line between us and socialism has become very blurred. And the world asks the trillion dollar question: When does the U.S. debt become too much debt??? Stay tuned, we are going to find out.

Merry Christmas, everyone!


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Posted: 19 September 2008 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | 14  

McCain's fundamental blunder was saying, "The fundamentals are sound." -Then trying to fix the blunder by suggesting the fundamental walks on two feet and carries a lunch bucket. -Followed by word getting out that he sees himself as "fundamentally" a de-regulator.

All of which, for me, was like receiving a gift-wrapped present with a big fat bow on top.


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He's using the word to remind his base why they were breifly excited about his campaign.  ("Hey!  I've got a fundamentalist on the ticket!") 

Shrewd enough move, but while it kind of energizes his base, it also lights a fire under progressives and undecided, who do not want a fundamentalist in the oval office. 

 

 

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"The Democratic National Committee, using publicly available records, has identified 177 lobbyists working for the McCain campaign as either aides, policy advisers, or fundraisers. Of those 177 lobbyists, at least 83 have in recent years lobbied for the financial industry McCain now attacks."
-- Mother Jones magazine
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All Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

Dodd, Christopher CT D $165,400
Obama, Barack IL D $126,349
Kerry, John MA D $111,000
Bennett, Robert UT R $107,999
Bachus, Spencer AL R $103,300
Blunt, Roy MO R $96,950
Kanjorski, Paul PA D $96,000
Bond, Christopher MO R $95,400
Shelby, Richard AL R $80,000
Reed, Jack RI D $78,250
Reid, Harry NV D $77,000
Clinton, Hillary NY D $76,050
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I wonder who said this.

I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole

 

It wasn't Barack Obama.

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Wow, Chris -- you sure do get pissed off over a couple of innocent quotes, don't you?
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Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama like to portray themselves as Washington outsiders, but neither candidate is completely clean of the influence of lobbyists.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/29/lobbyists/index.html

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Wow, Chris -- you sure do get pissed off over a couple of innocent quotes, don't you?

The truth can do that.

Here's McCain speaking to the Wall Street Journal in May 2007: "You are interviewing the greatest free trader you will ever interview, and the greatest deregulator you will ever interview."

Hmmmmm and we wonder why we are almost at depression level.

When are the republicans going to learn, that when you let businesses monitor themselves,  greed will F things up. 

After all of these Government bailouts I guess Government Welfare isn't as bad as you all thought. LOL

 

 

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Are the people posting anti-McCain stuff pissed off too or just the ones posting anti- Obama stuff?
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Hey Obama is leading Indiana, I am pretty happy right now.

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The thing is, I haven't heard the line "Hey pull yourself up by your own bootstraps." When applied to this huge government bailout. 
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He's leading in one out of four polls.

 

Rasmussen 09/17 - 09/18 500 LV 49 47 McCain +2
Big10 Battleground 09/14 - 09/17 612 RV 47 43 McCain +4
Indy Star/Selzer 09/14 - 09/16 600 LV 44 47 Obama +3
CNN/Time 09/13 - 09/14 890 RV 51 45 McCain +6

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