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Steven Cassidy Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 February 2008 Posts: 611
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Posted: 01 April 2008 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | 1
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Mr Byrne;
Suppose, if you will, that 25 years ago the pitch for an Alpha Flight team book was denied and no series was ever published. Alpha Flight had appeared in Xmen a couple times, a few other appearances here and there, and over the past 25 years, nothing really happening with them except the occasional appearance to allow Marvel to keep copyright - the product largely unchanged.
Suppose, if you will, that TODAY a Marvel existed you would work for and they asked you to do a team book of Alpha Flight.
Given your history of story telling, character development, character creation, etc. Given your additional 25 years of enhanced skill and talent as a creator - Is there anything TODAY that you would definitely do differently with the dynamics of the team in APLHA FLIGHT #1 (and onwards). Would it be a darker book (more like Next Men)? Would Northstar's homosexuality be as hidden in sub-text. Would Guardian still be on the chopping block? Would Puck and Marina still be there? Would there be any costume or design changes?
I guess a easy way to summarize (in a way) -- if the existing Alpha Flight was Earth 2 - what would the Earth 1 Alpha Flight be like?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 01 April 2008 at 5:43pm | IP Logged | 2
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Unfortunately you begin with a false premise. I didn't pitch ALPHA FLIGHT -- Shooter pressured me into doing it. I really had no interest, as I felt the characters worked best in a supporting role.
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Daniel Kendrick Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3020
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Posted: 01 April 2008 at 5:49pm | IP Logged | 3
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lot of supposing in there too...
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Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 01 April 2008 at 7:23pm | IP Logged | 4
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John Byrne: I didn't pitch ALPHA FLIGHT -- Shooter pressured me into doing it.
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Well, I'm glad he did! One of my favorite comics to read as a kid (or an adult!) :)
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Sam Karns Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 December 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7624
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Posted: 01 April 2008 at 7:36pm | IP Logged | 5
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Unfortunately you begin with a false premise. I didn't pitch ALPHA FLIGHT -- Shooter pressured me into doing it. I really had no interest, as I felt the characters worked best in a supporting role.
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Yes, at the time but can't you see you developed something good! Why has Alpha Flight become such a stench in your taste buds? Your approach of Alpha Flight was brilliant. It was a book I could never predict what would happen next, I was so deep into these characters and I love what you did to them through your last issue. I agree with Nathan, I'm glad shooter pressured you as well because it's the best X title ever made.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 01 April 2008 at 8:10pm | IP Logged | 6
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I was discussing this with my Ex yesterday. She still does my books, and she was over to do so, and looking at some of the new figures and mini-busts I have added to the collection. I mentioned the 25th anniversary of ALPHA FLIGHT 1, and noted that it's kind of a hoot for me to look at these statues, and the little Eaglemoss figures, and be able to say "I created her, and her, and him, and him…"BUT… thing is, those characters I created, while perfectly "real" to all of you, will never be "real" to me. Stan and Jack and Steve (et al) didn't create them, so to the 12 year old in my head, they will forever be mere pretenders.
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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 January 2005 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 5249
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Posted: 01 April 2008 at 8:18pm | IP Logged | 7
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Does this happen to all the characters you have created? I mean the fact that you don't consider them "real"?
I have the "Next Men" in mind, as well as the "Rat Lab" characters?
And if someone else was doing the whole story /art chore? Will you then consider them differently?
Edited by Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle on 01 April 2008 at 8:20pm
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Leigh DJ Hunt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 February 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1570
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Posted: 02 April 2008 at 4:20am | IP Logged | 8
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>T… thing is, those characters I created, while perfectly "real" to all of you, will never be "real" to me. Stan and Jack and Steve (et al) didn't create them, so to the 12 year old in my head, they will forever be mere pretenders.
Oddly I was thinking about this the other night. I was trying to work out why you are always so down on AF when so many of your fans rave about it so and it clicked with me that as you created them, you will never love them as much as the Silver/Golden age characters that you adore.
To me, as a teenager when I first met Alpha they were as real as the X-Men as they had first appeared in an X-Men comic waaay waaay back in the dawn of time before I started buying comics. ;)
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Pascal LISE Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 April 2008 at 4:32am | IP Logged | 9
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I don't understand the meaning of this : (et al)
Could someone explain it to me ?
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Joakim Jahlmar Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 April 2008 at 5:03am | IP Logged | 10
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Pascal, the exact phrase escapes me at the moment,* but I do believe it's one of them Latin ones, and at least roughly translates into "and others" or "and the rest" (fairly similar to "etc" (et cetera)).
* though I guess it could be something like "et alias".
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Martinho Correia Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 April 2008 at 5:19am | IP Logged | 11
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But JB, as I said before, you are my Stan, Jack et el. I knew you and your work
before I knew them. I guess us asking you to do A.F. is like asking Jack to
return to the F.F.in 1985.
But it is so frustrating. Alpha Flight has pretty well sucked since you left.
That makes the 16 year old Canadian boy inside me sad.
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Pascal LISE Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 April 2008 at 6:33am | IP Logged | 12
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Pascal, the exact phrase escapes me at the moment,* but I do believe it's
one of them Latin ones, and at least roughly translates into "and others" or
"and the rest" (fairly similar to "etc" (et cetera)).
Thanks Joakim, I checked too, it means "and others".
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