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Greg Kirkman
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I snagged that issue a while back--amazing interview. Again, reading about JB's unrealized plans saddens me greatly. 
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I really don't like the direction the Hulk was taken in after JB's run - they seemed to take every effort they could to over-complicate an already popular character.

I'm looking forward to getting this as a trade.  :)

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Simply a terrific way to begin JB's Hulk run. Things I loved:

*Doc Samson and Betty

*Using chapters for the issue. Reminded me of the early Hulk issues.

*All the villians present. Yeah, I know they were the Hulk's imagination but I loved it.

*That punch to the Hulk. WOW!!!

Simpy fantastic. Hey, can anyone elaborate on what JB's plans for the Hulk were going to be from that Amazing Heroes interview.

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Makes me yearn for the days of the long-headed Leader.  *sigh*
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By the way, did anyone else notice the other homage to the original six-issue run?

During JB's recap of the Hulk's origin, there's a panel of Banner transforming where he's tearing his shirt open. It's definitely a visual reference to another flashback to the Hulk's origin from The Incredible Hulk # 3. 

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Really thought I was settling in for a long run on this series.

The switch from ALPHA FLIGHT happened after a long cab ride with
Shooter, during which I told him what I would do with the Hulk if I had
the chance. "That's GREAT!" he said. "You should do the Hulk!" But I
already had a very full plate, and the only way I could take on THE
INCREDIBLE HULK was if I dropped one of my other books. As it
happened, tho, I was starting to run out of steam on ALPHA. So a few
days after that cab ride I called Bill Mantlo and proposed a swap. He liked
the idea, and we made it happen.

Then I turned in my first couple of issues and a overview for the year,
they went to Shooter for approval, and he said "What's THIS?? You can't
do THIS!!"

It was exactly what I had told him in the cab, but I had forgotten
something about Shooter. Whenever I'd told him story ideas, he'd
approve them, then go off and completely rethink them in his head, and
expect the rethought version to be what I would somehow magically give
him. Happened on CAPTAIN AMERICA. Happened on X-MEN. Now, on
INCREDIBLE HULK.

It also happened at a time when I was tired of fighting Shooter. So I just
threw up my hands and said "Okay, if I can't do what you AGREED I could
do, I have NOTHING to do." And I left.

(Later, much the same thing happened with DeFalco on AVENGERS WEST
COAST. Shooter trained him well, I guess!)
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This issue is one of my top 5 favorite comic books by JB.
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My favorite Hulk art followed by Trimpe. 

Reading this back then, I was like "Why the hell did we have to suffer through the cross roads crap, couldn't they have gotten Byrne sooner?" 

I was so happy to see JB there on the Hulk, I was about to give up on the character altogether.  So in other words sir, to me you saved the character.

I second Micheal's request, if  anyone elaborate on what JB's plans for the Hulk were going to be from that Amazing Heroes interview. 

JB, has enough time passed and such, if you could tell us other details that you wanted to do with the title if you'd remained?   



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JB:

How long after the second discussion with Shooter did you agree to do Superman?  Or am I mixing up time frames?

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What a trip back in memory it is looking at those pages!

That issue was my introduction to the Hulk and to JB's work.

That punch is still my favorite punch ever, more than 20 years later.

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it's known as "the punch heard 'round the LCS"

 

 

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Probably the best inking job Wiacek ever did over JB.
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The artwork is fantastic!
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Loved that punch. When I first got a computer and scanner, that was one of the first pages I scanned to make into a desktop background. I also had no idea who Doc Samson was, but really turned into a big fan of his after seeing this issue.
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The best thing about The Punch (and that's what it should be called folks, because it's definitely the best rendered punch in comics history, I believe ardently...), is how realistic it looks. All the proper power, delivery and carry-through is right there in Samson's body language.

I always think the best guys at rendering punches in comics know HOW to throw punches. JB must can throw a mean right!!! Remind me never to brawl with that guy!!

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JB, how did it feel looking at the finished page of The Punch?
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This came out when I wasn't reading comics, so I missed it. JB, I didn't
realize until this thread that you also wrote this. I had it stuck in my head
that you were only artist for Hulk. I never really went looking for this, but
now I want to read it.

And so The Hunt resumes! The Incredible Hunt in this case...



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Tim, I believe you're familiar with this guy.  Looks like he can help you out.
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I suppose someone should post this before the next issue!!!


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Ryan: "Tim, I believe you're familiar with this guy."

*****

I have been tempted many times to utilize Dave's talents in the art of
comic book hunting, but I find The Hunt is more fun when I pound the
pavement myself. It reminds me of looking for comics as a kid. And for
me The Hunt now includes novels, DVDs, CDs - I only buy from brick and
mortar.

I only buy books or DVDs online when buying things for work. Los
Angeles has lots of excellent used book stores and comic shops, so I
keep my eyes peeled. Inventory in used books stores changes a lot. I
haven't been buying many back issues, tho I started in the last few years
and it's been fun. I have tended to buy more trade paperbacks than back
issues in the past, but buying back issues is a kick.

I just found out this week I will be going to the San Diego con this year -
it's my first time in San Diego for a con and my first con since JB's
farewell at Mid-Ohio. So it's my sense I will be developing a list of stuff I
don't have, like JB's Hulk and his last issues of Alpha Flight.




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The trade for this is coming out soon too. Pre-order on Amazon.

 



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That's from the MARVEL AGE ANNUAL isn't it?
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I’ve always loved the gorgeous Byrne/Wiacek line work on this too brief run—it was really when they started to gel together.  In fact, it was what made me request Bob for my first ever Marvel penciling job when I was practically in diapers.  Unfortunately, it wasn’t the first job of mine that saw print, but that’s for another forum…
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I think I was getting comics by subscription when this ran so I didn't follow JB to Hulk.
This is my first exposure to the interior and the physical battle between Samson and Hulk
is excellent.

Not a criticism or complaint but one thing that stood out was the likeness of Doc Samson
to Clark Kent from the "Man of Steel" era as well as Betty to Lois. I don't know if this is
what JB meant about at one point having too few faces in his repertoire, a deliberate
design choice or simple coincidence. I still think the works looks good and Hulk is very
menacing, a bit more monstrous at times than what I was used to at that time.

Brian, that is from the Marvel Age Annual. I think it was the first one with the great Kerry
Gimmill/Tom Morgan wrap-around cover.

(Edited for weird formatting issue.)

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because of the way things were publish in France at that time, I always thought John had jumped directly from Alpha Flight to Superman... I am discovering this..

What about the trade... anybody knows when it will be out?

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