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Thomas Moudry
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That's such a great page. I love behind-the-scenes stuff like that. You see
that people really thought about what went into comic books.
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Drawing done while his second run.

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Derek Brown
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I remember the first time I saw the Cockrum model sheet for Phoenix.  I was amazed at the subtle differences between JB's rendition of Phoenix and Cockrums.  I've always like both artists take on her.  I loved that JB took most of the gathering out of the sash and the fantastic way he changed the chest emblem and clasp, but I wish that he had kept the center seam that was presented in the Cockrum version.  When I draw her, I try to marry both of the styles to make my own mistress of the power incarnate.

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I never realized how LONG Phoenix' legs were as drawn by Dave.  Not anotomically correct, but attractive and sexy anyway.

I would love to see the other character sheets he did, if he did them.

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Cockrum was my first artist I was exposed to on Uncanny X-Men.  At first I preferred his renditions over Byrne's, especially Dave's Colossus and Nightcrawler. 

But after a while, I found I preferred Byrne's art over ALL other artists (except, perhaps, Neal Adams). 

The reason starting with the fact that I quickly grew to LOVE Byrne's women:  Storm, Phoenix, Lorna Dane, Susan Storm, Scarlet Witch, etc.  The guys fell in behind that.

Plus, no one every drew a better Scott Summers.  Ever.

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Also - no one every drew a better Phoenix bird than John Byrne.  Some can equal it (Simonson) but never better it.
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With all respect to our humble host, I think Cockrum drew the definitive Nightcrawler.  Especially the first couple of issues before they "prettied him up a bit."




And while Cockrum was a terrific artist on Legion of Super-Heroes, X-Men and Futurians (among many others), he might have been even better as an inker.  Here are a couple of pages of his inks over John Buscema -








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I really loved Cockrum's inks in the 70's when he had that smooth Russ Manning style.  In the 80's he adopted a grittier more Kuberty style.  A few years ago on his old message board I asked him why he'd changed it, and he said that in the early 80's he was starting to lose his brush control as he got older so he switched to inking with a pen.  

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The model sheet made me think of this one. Dave designed the Fay Wray figure for a large scale model from Aurora that was never produced.

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Dave Cockrum's Thunderbird preliminar design, from Richard Donnelly's
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Richard Donnelly:
After DC turned down NC as part of a villain team for the Legion of
Superheroes, Dave added an X to Nightcrawler's costume when showing it to
Marvel. ... Perhaps one of the reasons Dave may have gotten some creator
compensation from Marvel.


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From Daniel Lang:
A preliminary design for Jean Grey/Phoenix prior to her relaunch in X-Men
101. The first shows her in the white and gold costume (the editors made
him change the white to green because of bleed through from the other side
of the page due to the cheap printing process of the day)


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