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Michael Penn
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But really, what more do you need to reference than Renoir and Atkinson?!

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JB, I am loving these pencil sneak peaks and cannot wait for the finished product. Can you specify what type of paper you are using for the work? Something with a bit more tooth?
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a quick bit of research reveals that she was
indeed played by the same person


Yep.  And now, every time I see Kali Rocha show up on something, I joke that it bodes ill for at least one character, what with a vengeance demon having shown up, and all.
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Can you specify what type of paper you are using for the work? Something
with a bit more tooth?

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Yes, Strathmore bristol with a vellum finish.
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And the script? Write it all in one go? Does the plot shifts a bit as you
advance in the penciling stage?
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I'm working on ANGEL the same way I have done books like FANTASTIC
FOUR and ALPHA FLIGHT, with a general overview on paper, but lots of
wiggle-room alotted, so I can change direction as much as I need as I move
along.
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JB wrote:
"It's really weird. I have found myself slipping into France, circa 1917, as if I was working from actual memories. And I have not seen that many WW1 movies!"

Well, you've obviously seen "enough for comics" (to run with the "close enough for comics" phrase a bit further).  ;)

Or you've perfected the time machine and just neglected to tell us...

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It's very odd. I have mentioned before that I have false memories of WW2.
When I was a child, and the War was only a decade or so behind us, my
family and their friends still talked about it constantly. So much so, that
many of the stories they told, time and again, entered my brain not as
stories, but as memories. I have a very real connection to the Blitz, for
instance, as if I lived thru it.

But, altho my maternal grandfather fought in WW1, and was even a prisoner
of war, fewer stories were told, and those that were remained just that --
stories. So to sit down at my drawingboard expecting to spend half my time
flipping thru pages of reference, and instead finding the images slipping
easily from my pencilpoint as if I am drawing from, and on, memory, , ,
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Memory is a wickedly weird and absolutely fascinating thing in how it can be utterly precise and truthful to a given situation in one case and equally precise but obviously untrue in another.

Salman Rushdie tells an interesting story about the time when India was at war with China (unless my memory fails me this was in the 60s). In his essay "'Errata': or Unreliable Narration in Midnight's Children" (collected in Imaginary Homelands) Rushdie states:
"I myself have a clear memory of having been in India during the China War. I 'remember' how frightened we all were, I 'recall' people making nervy little jokes about needing to buy themselves a Chinese phrase book or two, because the Chinese Army was not expected to stop until it reached Delhi. I also know that I could not possibly have been in India at that time. I was interested to find that even after I found out that my memory was playing tricks my brain simply refused to unscramble itself. It clung to the memory, preferring it to the mere literal happenstance. I thought that was an important lesson to learn."

And I myself have had one sych instance where something I remember has been proven beyond any doubt not to be the case, but where the memory still persists even though I know it's false.

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I just noticed that IDW usually puts out ANGEL stuff with scores of variant
covers...that a plan here?
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Really looking forward to this.
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I want a uncolored, pencils-only cover variant that looks like it is on slightly aged newsprint. That would get me to break my rule about never buying two issues of a comic just to get an alternate cover.
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Steve comment brings up a question...

What will the cover look like, will it be colored pencils only as well?


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The place where I have found the "switching" most evident is in the inking
on some recent commission pieces. Since they are black and white, whereas
CREW will be color, I find myself wanting to coax some of the same effects I
get with the pencil out of my pen and brush.

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Have you considered using say, a conte crayon, like Terry did occasionally, to get those types of effects? It's black enough not to stand out from the ink too much and with todays scanning and printing, the effect should be far superior to what showed up on newsprint years ago...
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Since I don't like using any kind of surface fixatives on the commission
pieces, I try to keep them as "clean" as possible. Conté crayon would
definitely take us outside that box!

Incidentally, from what he's told me, Terry used old fashioned Crayola wax
crayons to get those effects, not conté!
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Since I don't like using any kind of surface fixatives on the commission
pieces, I try to keep them as "clean" as possible. Conté crayon would
definitely take us outside that box!

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Addressing this to part two of your answer below.... would Crayola's necessitate a fixative? I've had success using both black colored pencil and conté crayon on coquielle board without fix and no smearing... even thru multiple moves.

Commissions aside, would you or have you used it on you pen and ink comic work?

Incidentally, from what he's told me, Terry used old fashioned Crayola wax
crayons to get those effects, not conté!

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Wow. I guess the old adage of "whatever works" is true!
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Very curious about what this series is going to be called.
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This promises to be artistically innovative. I imagine the grey tones
combined with color would produce something reminiscent of old newsprint
comic books – having the muted subtlety of yesterday, but also the crisp
lines of today.
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The reeking-of-fanboy-ennui editorial comments notwithstanding, THIS is kinda fun.

Technically, I'm a fangirl, but glad to see the ennui isn't lost on you, haha.

Glad you enjoyed my site!



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Nice work on that site, Tania. And welcome aboard! :)
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Welcome, Tania!

And just remember, if your ennui ever becomes a problem Wolfram & Hart
can remove it for you...
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The same actress played Halfrek and Cecily and in the ep where they are all locked in the house Halfrek recognizes Spike as being William.

And also, I'm glad you enjoyed the timeline. My goofy commentary aside, I really enjoyed putting them together for all of my sites.
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Glad you enjoyed my site!

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The Timeline was most helpful, Tania. It showed me that I could, indeed, do
an Angelus story IDW will be presenting next Hallowe'en (barring unforeseen
eventualities.)

So, thanks!
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You've got a preliminary Hallowe'en release date for an Angelus story, JB... that's just nifty planning or something, methinks.
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