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Anthony Frail
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Mr. Byrne, what hardness is the lead you use in your pencils? Thanks!
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HB.
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Are you fussy about which brand you use? 

 

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Nope.
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   Interesting.  I've always used 2H, but my technique of pencilling has always beena  case of laying my hand down on the table while sketching, so there's a potential for smearing if I have nothing to keep my sweaty hand off the artwork...

   Which leads me to ask the following question for JB: how do you work when you're drawing the pencil art?  Do you rest your arm on something to hold the hand away from the paper or do you keep your arm free like a traditional painter would?

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I would love to learn how professionals artist prevent smudging.  I can't seem to prevent that and it frustrates me.
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Jim Aparo told me, via letter, that he used a 5H. So, being the young
impressionable artist I was, I went to the local store and bought some.

WHAT a TOTALLY different experience the pencil lead makes. If you
press too hard with a 5H you make grooves in the paper and it makes it
difficult to erase.

Dick Locher uses, literally, whatever is laying around in his studio. I
bought him a box of Ticonderoga #2HB (which is the yellow pencil with
an eraser on the end that you probably used in school), which he likes
and uses for editorial cartoons and Dick Tracy.

MPH
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5H is to me a bit too much like drawing with a nail!

On the early days, I used a 2H, since I understood that to be what Joe Kubert
used. Over the years I drifted to HB, and found that lead gave me more of
the kind of line I was looking for.
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When I first started drawing I used to do breeakdowns with a 9H, then finish with a 2H.  Nowadays I alternate between HB and F in a mechanical or clutch pencil.

Although recently have begun doing breakdowns in 2H wooden pencil and then finishing with either the HB or F wooden pencil.

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5H is to me a bit too much like drawing with a nail!

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I agree! I don't know how Jim did it.

MPH
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So now we know how hard the lead in JB's pencil is, we
might as well shut the forum down. I don't think there's
anything more we need to learn about the master.

Oh, wait...drawing pencil. Never mind!
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   Funny thing is, we use the term "lead" for graphite pencils.  If we used metallic lead in our pencils, none of us would be in any shape to be posting on this forum now, would we?
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 QUOTE:
I would love to learn how professionals artist prevent smudging. I can't seem to prevent that and it frustrates me


I think a lot of artists use a piece of paper underneath their drawing hand to prevent their skin from rubbing the pencil work; it probably
helps to work left to right when possible (if you're left handed, natch) so you're not rubbing your hand over pencils you've already laid
down.
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 Carmn wrote:
Funny thing is, we use the term "lead" for graphite pencils.  If we used metallic lead in our pencils, none of us would be in any shape to be posting on this forum now, would we?


"Black lead was an old name for "graphite," hence lead pencil (1688) "

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=lead
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A favorite phrase I picked up from Art College, describing a pencil:

"Heaven and hell in a cedar tunnel."
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I use a number of pencils, depending on what I'm doing. When I'm going to be inking or painting over it... particularly painting, I use an HB or 2H... slightly harder...

If I'm working on something that will stay in pencil I'll got to a 2B, and very rarely a 4B.

I use a .3 Pilot mechanical for deadweight lines and Tombows for filling and thick and thins. Picked up on both of them at Disney. The Tombows are expensive but they've got the best feel and consistancy I've ever used. The lead is very creamy and get a bit hard to erase in the softer leads tho.

I use a lead holder for sketching and on site or life drawing just becasue its easier to deal with.
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JB + HB = HD 
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Dave Aikins
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Does anybody like F? It's my favorite lead!





edited to remove the worn out phrase "What, no love for_?".


Edited by Dave Aikins on 27 January 2009 at 4:56pm
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Can we add "What, no love for ______?" to our list of worn-out phrases?
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What, no love for F? It's my favorite lead!

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I like F
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Derek Cavin
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A pencil set I bought a few years ago had an 9H and 8H. I eventually threw them away. If the paper was too soft they dug in.

I like to use 2H to F and use 4H or 5H for perspective lines.

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It's funny how we obssess over the equipment used by the talented people we admire, as if the key to their talent somehow must lie in the tools they use.

So golf enthusiasts are keen to find out what kind of driver Tiger Woods uses, because obviously it's the make of club that allows him to hit the ball so far.

Of course the reality is that Tiger Woods could use a cheap driver and still hit the ball a damn sight further than you or me.

Similarly, a lot of artists are happy to draw with whatever -- Leonardo Da Vinci could do some nice work with a lump of charcoal, I hear.

I suppose it's encouraging to believe that using the same type of pencil/golf club/ tennis racket/ running shoe will allow you to emulate a pro than face up to the reality that (a) they have put a lot of hard work into developing their talent and (b) they may have oodles more natural talent.

Edited to add: I'm not trying to denigrate anyone with this post; I just find it a curious phenomenon, of which I am as guilty as anyone.



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Sports equipment companies have made fortunes on just that principle.
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You can say that again.

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Anthony Frail
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Well, my curiosity came from the fact that I had bought a few pencils and
was really unhappy with the line they produced. I decided to see what a pro
uses... turns out, it's actually a little soft for my tastes!

I ended up going with a 2H and might be leaning toward a 4H.
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