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Steve De Young
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I ask this fully expecting you to say you don't remember, but hey, can't hurt to ask...

Way back in the long ago time, when you were doing WW, and active in the old forums on DC Online on AOL, your cover for WW #109 was posted as a teaser for the issue.  Folks on the forum were abuzz because based on the costume, we took it to be Barry Allen.  Somebody (might've been me, don't remember) posted that they doubted it was Barry, because Mark Waid (who was on Flash at the time) had said that he didn't want Barry brought back, and if it did happen, it wouldn't be in Wonder Woman.  At the time, you responded (cryptically) that you had thought of a way to bring Barry back which even Waid would think was good.

So, since DC has now brought Barry back, and you're thus safe from them stealing your idea, and if you remember it, what was it?


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Simple, really. It's very, very, very hard to "kill" a character who can travel in
Time. How old was Barry when he "died" in CRISIS? For all we know, he
could have been 106.

My idea was to simply have Barry pop into existence in the "current" DCU,
returning from one of his trips thru time to find he'd "missed his target"
because of disruptions caused by CRISIS. He would then live out whatever
life (nature and duration) the Powers that Be would allow.

(I also had an idea that, since Wally was being The Flash, Barry would take on
another identity for a while, knowing that sooner or later he had to go die in
CRISIS. But when the moment came, Wally would bushwhack him, take his
place, and that would actually have been Wally we saw die.)
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But when the moment came, Wally would bushwhack him, take his
place, and that would actually have been Wally we saw die.

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That, actually, would have been an awesome twist, and a good way around the 'Flash Family' bloat that DC is now suffering.

Thanks for answering so quickly, JB.  I've literally been walking around with that nagging at the back of my brain for 13 years, and now that Rebirth #1 is out, I had to ask.

...and yes, I know I'm OCD.


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Cool, and simple.
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That was a GREAT idea!!!
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And it take half a page, if neccesary and on with the story!
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That would've been a great story.  Instant classic
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Since The Flash regularly time traveled to visit his In-Laws (The Wests of the future), there are / were any number of opportunities for him to come back at the wrong time, a very simple and elegant solution.  I also like the Wally West angle.
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Either one would have worked for me! 
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That was very similar to Marv Wolfman's solution.
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Marv's "solution" to his own problem?
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Yes. Marv revealed in the TPB of Crisis that he left a loophole to bring Barry Allen back, which involved Barry's final run through time to save the universe being interrupted and him ending up in the present, having adventures but knowing that eventually he'd be pulled back to the moment of his demise and have to sacrifice himself to save the universe.
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I wish we could just have our old heroes back -- before they needed to be "fixed" and "rebooted" every couple years.




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Marv's "solution" to his own problem?

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If killing Barry was Marv's idea. This could've been editorial. Given the rampant rebooting and character purging around the time of Crisis, this could've been DC's attempt to bring back a FLASH title without the character who'd been cancelled in the previous one. Wolfman might've just been a hatchet man.

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Yes. Marv revealed in the TPB of Crisis that he left a loophole to bring Barry Allen back, which involved Barry's final run through time to save the universe being interrupted and him ending up in the present, having adventures but knowing that eventually he'd be pulled back to the moment of his demise and have to sacrifice himself to save the universe.
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That's what Geoff Johns eventually did, even if it didn't result in Barry's permanent return.

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JB: How old was Barry when he "died" in CRISIS? For all we know, he
could have been 106.

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Now that Wally is a grown man, married with kids -- 106 sounds about right for Barry's current age.




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Just about time for some genius up at DC to declare Wally "too old" and kill
him off for a "legacy character" they will promptly age too much and. . . .
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I wish we could just have our old heroes back -- before they needed to be "fixed" and "rebooted" every couple years.


 

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Shouldn't this be a Jay Garrick cover then?

 

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Just about time for some genius up at DC to declare Wally "too old" and kill
him off for a "legacy character" they will promptly age too much and. . . .

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 If that decision came down from editorial, how much blame would you place for this "problem" on the writer?

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Jay: Shouldn't this be a Jay Garrick cover then?

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Good one!

Most rebooting and fixing happen because creators ruin the characters over the years.




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Just about time for some genius up at DC to declare Wally "too old" and kill
him off for a "legacy character" they will promptly age too much and. . . .


They already sort of did. A while ago they had Bart Allen age 4 years in some kind of time travel mishap. He took over as The Flash for 13 issues, then was killed off. Recently he was brought back to life as a teenager again.

The Flash has not been in steady hands the past few years. Hopefully this Barry Allen revival will put the series back on track.
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I drop 98.9% on editorial/management. Even if the writer walks in, jumps up and down and holds his breath, it's editorials responsibility.
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Re: JB's Solution

Perfect!
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I drop 98.9% on editorial/management. Even if the writer walks in, jumps up
and down and holds his breath, it's editorials responsibility.



Which is when the writer walks out. I've done it. After all, there are very few
readers who really blame editorial when things go wrong. If my name is on
the front page a head of everyone else's, I want my story in the book.
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If my name is on the front page a head of everyone else's, I want my story in the book.

You and your creative integrity.  Why, if everyone in the business operated under the veil of creative integrity then we'd be left with...

eep.
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