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Brad Teschner
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If my name is on the front page a head of everyone else's, I want my story in the book.

You and your creative integrity.  Why, if everyone in the business operated under the veil of creative integrity then we'd be left with...

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Eric Smearman
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If my name is on the front page a head of everyone else's, I want my story in the book.

Fair enough.


Edited by Eric Smearman on 06 April 2009 at 7:20pm
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Joe Hollon
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" But when the moment came, Wally would bushwhack him, take his
place, and that would actually have been Wally we saw die.)"

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Brilliant.  Wow.
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Michael Huber
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Posted: 06 April 2009 at 7:30pm | IP Logged | 4  

If that decision came down from editorial, how much blame would you place for this "problem" on the writer?

I drop 98.9% on editorial/management. Even if the writer walks in, jumps up
and down and holds his breath, it's editorials responsibility.



Which is when the writer walks out. I've done it. After all, there are very few
readers who really blame editorial when things go wrong. If my name is on
the front page a head of everyone else's, I want my story in the book.

I agree with this 100%. If you're putting your name, and your professional reputation, nay, your professional future on it, it had better be something you believe is your best work, and best for you to continue working. I guess at that point, when editorial walks in and says "Kill Barry" I might feel like looking elsewhere for that next check.

For some reason I was looking at this from the pointof view of the writer walking in and saying " I wanna kill Barry", and I'd still blame editorial if it went to print, although I might not like the writer so much afterwards.

I guess the true injustice is the public may never hear that it was handed down from high, and the writer may be incorrectly blamed.

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Nathan Greno
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Posted: 07 April 2009 at 1:34pm | IP Logged | 5  


Taken from Marv Wolfman's Foreward in the Crisis on Infinite Earths TPB:

Did we have to kill the Barry Allen Flash?

"We always liked Barry, so when we were asked to kill him we planted a secret plot device in the story that could bring him back if someone wanted to. Don't look for it; you won't find it - but if you corner me at a convention, and if I'm in a good mood, I'll tell you what it is."




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Dave Aikins
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Posted: 07 April 2009 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | 6  

Heck, anyone who likes Kang knows how much fun you can have with a time traveling character. It's really surprising that everyone viewed Barry's death with such closure to the character, when he could pop up at any given moment.
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Greg Woronchak
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I think Barry had become perceived as such a boring character (although not to me <g>) mired in such a horrible storyline (his trial), that readers accepted Wally in the role easily. At the same time, I have a feeling DC editorial wanted lasting repercussions for their big Event, so Barry unfortunately had to stay 'gone'.
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"We've done all the stories that can be done with this character."

                       Dick Giordano, speaking to me circa CRISIS.


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Michael Edwards
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Uh, I hate to jump on the other side of the fence, but Barry was boring. He was one of those one dimensional characters best left in the ether.
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Craig Markley
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There are no bad characters.  Only bad writers.
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David Miller
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Craig, Rob Liefeld's entire oeuvre begs to differ. 
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Steve De Young
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Craig, Rob Liefeld's entire oeuvre begs to differ.

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Rob Liefeld can't draw, but that doesn't mean every idea he's ever had was bad.  Deadpool is a great character (though admittedly different than his intent, but that's pretty much the point, good writers have made him an interesting character).  And, actually, if he had been allowed to do with Cable what he originally wanted, that could've been interesting too...

...well, if a good writer had been allowed to use his original idea, it would have been interesting.

I kinda liked the Trial of Barry Allen, though.  But, to everyone saying that Barry was boring, I don't think you've read enough Silver Age DC.  Barry had the exact same personality that every other DC Hero had.  He just never got the O'Neil/Adams treatment that Superman, Batman, GL, GA, and Wonder Woman (well, WW got O'Neil at least) had had.  And since he got killed in Crisis, he didn't get a Byrne/Miller/Perez/Grell revamp like the others on that list.


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