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Andy Mokler
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Sorry about that JB. I've had a copy of that comic for a long time and never knew. The cover sure makes it look like you were involved.
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Brad Hague
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Who did the lettering in that? It looks awfully familiar...
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Glenn Brown
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Caleb M. Edmond wrote:
This thread begs the question:
Is there a difference between CARTOON illustration and COMIC illustration? |
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In my opinion, drawing is drawing. Same fundamental skills utilized by good comics artists should be known and used by good cartoonists.
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John Byrne
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Who did the lettering in that? It looks awfully familiar...
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It's a hand lettering font, isn't it?
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Paulo Pereira
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Glenn wrote:
Caleb M. Edmond wrote:
This thread begs the question:
Is there a difference between CARTOON illustration and COMIC illustration? |
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In my opinion, drawing is drawing. Same fundamental skills
utilized by good comics artists should be known and used by good
cartoonists. |
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Yeah, they're all cartoons. Just different styles of cartoon.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 18 August 2009 at 5:29am
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John Byrne
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In its original usage, a "cartoon" was the preliminary drawing an artist
would do for a painting. This was often quite elaborate, but nonetheless
more simple than the finished work, so not surprising I suppose that the
term attached itself to the whole notion of "simplified" drawings.
I've been surprised, over the years, at the number of "fans" who have
responded with great ire when I refer to myself as a "cartoonist". They
see this as demeaning to the form. I figure, hey! If it's good enough for
Joe Kubert, it's good enough for me!
(I wonder how much overlap there is between these people and those who
insist superheroes should age in real time, while character like the
Simpsons do not, since superheroes are "realistic" and THE SIMPSONS is
"just a cartoon".)
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Paulo Pereira
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JB wrote:
I've been surprised, over the years, at the number of "fans" who have
responded with great ire when I refer to myself as a "cartoonist". They
see this as demeaning to the form. I figure, hey! If it's good enough for
Joe Kubert, it's good enough for me! |
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I wonder if these aren't the same people who dislike the term 'comic book.'
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Greg Woronchak
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Is there a difference between CARTOON illustration and COMIC illustration?
I think comic books would be well served to adopt some concepts from the field of animation. As you mention, Caleb, character design is a complex 'job', involving much feedback to achieve a solid final that can be used by everyone else in the production chain. Design in animation requires finding interesting elements that can be redrawn multiple times, so less is always more. At the same time, dynamic movement and acting are always stressed in cartoon or animation artwork, which should also be kept in mind by comic book artists.
Good animation depends on a cohesive vision and a focus on clear story-telling above all else. Using models that are never 'reintrepreted' by different artists ensures consistency and productivity.
As a storyboard artist, I learned about using 'negative space' effectively, and when to best use down shots or worms-eye view perspective. Choosing effective ''camera angles' helps tell the story in an interesting manner, and also contributes to the mood or drama of a given scene. Doing comic books is similar, but treating a comic book page as a series of storyboard panels (which is becoming a disturbing trend) is a mistake. Comic pages require an intelligent use of panels to effectively tell the story and move the reader's eye thru a given page (or book).
Yikes, enough rambling <g>...
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Brad Hague
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It's a hand lettering font, isn't it?
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That's it. Hand lettering.
Does it sort of look like Terry Austin's hand lettering? He wasn't involved was he?
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Paul Simpson Simpson
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I wonder if these aren't the same people who dislike the term 'comic
book.'
I love the term comic book. When talking I always refer to comics and
graphic novels as comic books. I hate the term graphic novel its just so
pretientious. It's for people who like to read comics, who don't to admit
it to anybody
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John Byrne
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I wonder if these aren't the same people who dislike the term 'comic book.'
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For a long time I was one of THEM. The term "comic book" in no way
properly describes the package -- they're not all funny, and not of them are
books!. Stan tried to get people to use "magazine" -- as in "The World's
Greatest Comic Magazine" -- but he could not shake the word "comic", and,
especially in the past few decades, that word has moved even further away
from us, as standup comedians have come to be called "comics".
Unfortunately, the term that seems to have captured the lead lately is
"graphic novel", which is no less accurate, and actually pushed deep into
pretentiousness. So, my position has turned 180°. I want ALL the formats
called "comic books", or, to go back to Stan again, "comicbooks". If they
contain that distinctive combination of words and pictures, they are COMIC
BOOKS!
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Jim Campbell
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I don't believe that is a font, myself. There are too many variations in the
characters' form and size. I think that's an example of that rarest of things,
actual pen on actual paper!
Cheers
Jim
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