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Brad Krawchuk Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5819
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 12:57am | IP Logged | 1
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http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Marvel-Retailers-DC-100113.h tml
So for every 50 "Blackest Night" tie-in covers retailers send Marvel, Marvel will send said retailer one copy of a Variant Deadpool cover of Siege.
It's like trading Ryan Reynolds for... Ryan Reynolds! Which would be cute if it wasn't so... sleezy?
Is this even legal? Can a company ask for returns from a competitor?
Edited by Paul Greer on 14 January 2010 at 7:12am
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 14812
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 1:47am | IP Logged | 2
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I'm sure that there were some retailers who over-ordered to get the Blackest Night rings, but my impression was that the Blackest Night tie-ins were successful and there were a lot of retailers who sold out of them. And if a retailer is sitting on that much stock, it seems like it'd be a better move to discount those issues or give them away to convince their customers to buy more Blackest Night books, rather than make one customer happy with an overpriced issue of Siege.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 2:23am | IP Logged | 3
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This kinda deal feels desperate. I can almost smell the fear. How's Marvel's market share doing?
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Andrew W. Farago Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4067
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 2:41am | IP Logged | 4
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I'd be surprised if any retailer took them up on it. Unless they're going to have a huge markup on that Siege comic, or unless the only way anyone gets a copy of it at all is by destroying DC back issues, it doesn't make sense to destroy $150-$200 of potential sales (assuming a $3-$4 cover price) in the hopes of getting a book that might fetch $25 at most.
If a retailer happened to pay about 25 cents apiece for each of the comics he'd be destroying, it might make sense, but I don't think anyone's so desperate for storage space that they'd feel compelled to clear out that many new books at that deep a discount.
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Francesco Vanagolli Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 June 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 3130
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 3:02am | IP Logged | 5
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I'm 10 years old and I should be at school just now, not posting in the JBF.
Well, if we are in 1993 again...!
Edited by Francesco Vanagolli on 14 January 2010 at 3:02am
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 3:17am | IP Logged | 6
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According to my calculations this is a fair trade;
50 X 0 = 1 X 0
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Gil Dowling Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1087
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 4:33am | IP Logged | 7
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I don't usually bash Marvel or DC but this is an asinine stunt by Marvel.
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Joe Hollon Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 4:44am | IP Logged | 8
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"it doesn't make sense to destroy $150-$200 of potential sales (assuminga $3-$4 cover price) in the hopes of getting a book that might fetch$25 at most."
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People would be lined up to pay hundreds of dollars for a variant such as this, lets not kid ourselves.
Someone asked how Marvel's market share was doing. In December 2009 DC had seven of the top 11 selling comics including the top two which were BLACKETS NIGHT #6 and GREEN LANTERN #49.
Here are some charts showing market share data: http://www.comichron.com/vitalstatistics/marketshares.html
Looks like Marvel still leads comfortably.
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Emery Calame Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 5:40am | IP Logged | 9
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" People would be lined up to pay hundreds of dollars for a variant such as this, lets not kid ourselves." Really?
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 6:18am | IP Logged | 10
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If the common retailer recieved 50% off he would be paying $100 dollars for 50 $4 comics. He would then have to sell the variant for at least $100 to "break even" on his investment. However, the bigger retailers (the ones who will take Marvel up on this offer) would have gotten a larger discount on those 50 issues. They will then make a profit if they sell the variant for $100. So odds are that $100-$200 will be the price tag for this cover. A $100+ variant is not uncommon in todays market place. There are the 1:250 Batman and Robin # 1's that have fetched more than $100 from collectors. Usually within the first few weeks of release. They cool down after the initial buzz dies down. But most retailers only need one, maybe two customers willing to pay and they will take Marvel up on this offer. If, as stated earlier, anyone has that much left over stock on these mid-level selling titles. Which also motivates the "collector" in the knowledge that not "many" retailers will have that much left over stock. Pretty smart move by Marvel. They have very little to lose in sending out these variants. It also helps give Seige more buzz. Something their new mega event is lacking at this point.
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Scott Wegrzyn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 6:30am | IP Logged | 11
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This whole thing just strikes me as a slimy move by Marvel. If you are going to do something like this, do it with your own books that were overordered by retailers and are still sitting on their shelves.
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 14 January 2010 at 6:46am | IP Logged | 12
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When I used to sell comics I attended a workshop that was sponsored by Capital City. It was called "Streetfighting". One example of "Streetfighting" was when a pizza company offered a nice discount on their pizza to anyone that would bring in the yellow pages ad of their competitors. That way, if later on, you wanted to find the number of the competitor you would have a hard time doing so. Marvel is doing a similiar thing. Instead of removing advertising, they are removing their competitors product from the retailers stores. The Blackest Night tie-ins are there for impulse buys. A reader who doesn't normally buy Booster Gold may take a chance and buy the BN tie-in issue. This may also lead to a new regular buyer of Booster Gold. If the customer never sees the copy of Booster Gold he will never think of buying it and may spend his money on something else. Marvel is betting that something else is one of their titles. Blackest Night has been a huge success for DC in terms of sales. Any and all tie-ins have been selling well. This scares Marvel, who doesn't want to lose their lead in the market share. Remember the market is so small that any increase in DC sales usually means a drop in Marvel sales. It's not like new fans are coming into the hobby/readership in any large way. It is just the same customer base spending money on X comics intead of Y comics. To keep it simple, Marvel and DC are fighting over the same group of customers. Neither group wants to lose ground with those remaining customers and are willing to do anything to keep them.
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