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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 10 August 2010 at 1:02pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

"We're leaving the galaxy, Mr. Mitchell! Ahead, warp factor one."

 

 

 

 

My second pilot Enterprise is done! As before, much time was taken to carefully research every last detail of this version. Although there's a good amount of reference material available, some details have been troublesome to pin down.

But, I daresay that my buildup may again be one of the most accurate builds ever done, in terms of detailing--right down to the three (!) windows on the bridge dome, the white blinker lights on the upper saucer, and the unique window pattern for this version.

And it was a REAL pain to carefully trim and splice window elements from several decal sheets to get the correct pattern of "lit" and black windows. That work nearly got my eyes to permanently cross!

This incarnation of the ship is an interesting transitional step between the first pilot and the series. Roddenberry clearly wanted more detailing, but the excessive use of black (the saucer stripes, the impulse and nacelle vents, etc.) was presumably deemed a little too busy, and was removed for the final version. This was also the first version to incorporate lights, and I must say I'm rather fond of the well-placed anti-collision strobes on this version.

This version was seen in every single episode of TOS, via stock footage (in the episodes proper, the main/end credits, or both), and so I suppose it has as solid a claim to being the "real" ship as the production version does!

The weathering on the real model appears to have been significantly toned-down from the first pilot version, no doubt because of partial repaints with the base color, since the change from painted registry markings to reversible decals was made for this version. That said, traces of the original weathering remained, and I replicated this on my build.

Also, I was bothered by the kit's stock parts--the second pilot nacelle endcaps feature a series of holes to represent the grilles--on the original, these were painted.

So, I smoothed a set of endcaps, and designed/printed my very first custom decals--and they turned out great! I think it looks much better and more authentic than painted holes on the stock parts would have.

 

More photos:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff016- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff014- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff013- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff012- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff011- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff010- 3.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff002- 9.jpg

 

Angles never-before-seen in TOS!

Oh, wait...

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff008- 5.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff004- 6.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff005- 5.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff006- 6.jpg

 

Shots from that "lost" time-travel episode where Kirk and Pike meet up and have an adventure:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff018- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff019- 1.jpg



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You know, I'm a big fan of the Constitution-class Refit design and other ships with heavily detailed profiles (like the new Galactica kit coming out this Fall), but they still haven't topped the simple elegance of the TOS Connie as shown in your 2nd posted photo above.

Is the "neck" painted a different shade of grey?  Like your previous USS Lexington, it appears to have a blue hue in those photos.

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Posted: 10 August 2010 at 5:28pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

My research indicates that the neck (and the bolt cover piece on the upper saucer right above it) were painted a blue-ish color for the pilots.

For the series, only the leading edge of the dorsal was blue (with the base color painted over the rest of the neck), and the bolt cover was repainted the dark gray highlight color seen on the nacelles.

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Posted: 10 August 2010 at 5:34pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Also, regarding the Refit--here are some useful photos!

http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/z9wzquxihlyugrqy7ky2mnaa4dfw fupf

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Posted: 26 August 2010 at 11:41am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Sweet!

http://www.starshipmodeler.us/gallery14/gk_081110_yorktown.h tm

 

 

Also, I've been slowing working on my Excelsior. Still not 100% decided if I want to do the NX or NCC version. I'm partial to the NX, but it would take a bit of work to convert the model.

Also, the Starship Modeler store has the Excelsior replacement parts (lower saucer, neck) back in stock, and I bought them. They're really sweet!

Of course, Round 2's 1701-B reissue will also have retooled versions of these parts, but from what I've seen so far, they don't look to be as accurate as the aftermarket stuff.



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Posted: 26 August 2010 at 7:09pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Nice work, Greg!

Wow, you changed the Starfleet pennant text too?  Did the JDecals come with Yorktown text that small, or was it homebuilt?

Already have a first production run Ertl/AMT Enterprise-B kit, but no real plans to build it or buy the aftermarket parts.

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Posted: 26 August 2010 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Did the JDecals come with Yorktown text that small, or was it homebuilt

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The JDecals set had the text--intended for both sides of the saucer rim. I used those bits for the pennants, instead.

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Posted: 26 August 2010 at 7:59pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

LINK

Unfortunately, those photos really play up the "looks like a duck from some angles" complaints of the cinematographers! A problem which, of course, affected the original design from no angles!

If it ain't broke. . .

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I do think the Refit design does have a number of good, strong angles. Some angles are not so flattering, though. 

 

Speaking of designs, the more I work with Excelsior, the more often two things come to mind:

1. It looks halfway decent from some angles, and TERRIBLE from others (which was likely the intent).

2. It's an amazingly successful design.

 

 

No, really.

Since the ship was designed as a supposedly incredible piece of new technology that was to sweep the obsolete Enterprise out of the way, only to sputter and clunk to a stop after some sabotage, it had to look plausible, but also wrong.

Plausible, in that the look, size, and presence of the ship are somewhat impressive at first glance--enough to make one see that this is supposed to be some kind of Super-Duper New Ship, and that it might be the forerunner of a new generation of advanced ships.

Wrong, in that it's TOO big, TOO slick, TOO full of extraneous bells and whistles--it has no "soul" in the way that the Enterprise design does. The design has too much repetition, too many curves for the sake of having curves, etc.

So, on these two counts, the design is very successful. It's not easy to come up with a successful design which conjures an unsuccessful design. Designing a good ship is hard, and designing a bad ship is easy, but designing one in the middle is not easy.

As has been previously noted, Excelsior was deliberately built up as a slick new ship, which then became a joke when confronted with our heroes' ingenuity. The design really lends itself to that, and I LIKE the design on those terms.

It's just so (intentionally) ridiculous and overdetailed--

* 1 1/2 times the size of the Enterprise--a monster ship before such ships became the norm for TREK. The engines are almost double the size of the Enterprise's.

* The Refit Enterprise has six banks of phasers on the saucer--Excelsior has ten.

* The Enterprise has four spotlight housings on the lower saucer--Excelsior has six.

* The Enterprise has two small impulse engine housings--Excelsior's are HUGE.

* The Enterprise has that small undercut "notch" on the rear of the secondary hull--Excelsior's is grossly exaggerated and elongated.

I really do kinda like the deliberately tacky excesses of the Excelsior design! It's a fine execution of a design that was intended not to work--it's beautifully ugly. But, then, of course, it became a "viable" design when it was reused again and again later on, due to budget reasons.

As for the Enterprise-B modifications...well, that design is just plain UGLY. Unintentionally, I'd bet.



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So, I've been doing research on the production Enterprise, and I've gotta say that version really is my favorite of the three. The slimmed-down bridge and dish are more aesthetically-pleasing to me.

After building the last two models, I've pretty much got this down to a science. The only challenges this time are the saucer grid (which will be drawn on with a compass and pencil) and the nacelle domes. I already have an idea how to simulate the gorgeous lighting effect of the original on my static model.

I also plan on adding tiny details like the "phaser turret" on the "nipple" of the lower saucer's sensor dome--which was only first discovered a few years ago (since it was often cut off by the matting process, lost after filming, and not replaced during the various restorations of the model).

That discovery was shocking to some, since it would appear that the Gray Lady is, er, well...a boy!

 

I tend to believe that she started out as a lady before undergoing surgery. After all, the nacelle domes were "reduced" and lost their prominent nipples/antenna, while the tiny phaser "tip" was added to the saucer dome.

 

(Tongue firmly in cheek for that last paragraph.)

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"Phaser turret?"

*Stares at TOS Enterprise on this month's Ships of the Line 2010 calendar*

Ah, so that's what that is!

 

 

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Well, the purpose of the, er, tip has never really been discovered. It's generally assumed to be a phaser emitter. For many years, few knew about that detail on the model.

Others have suggested that it's supposed to be the ion pod that Ben Finney was supposedly lost in, but since the detail was added to the model long before "Court Martial" was conceived, that's unlikely in terms of the part's intent.

The teensy red area on the end of the tip indicates to me that it's probably supposed to be a phaser emitter, as opposed to a sensor antenna. My personal guess is that the FX teams were told to have the phaser beams come from this spot, but the final results varied (in various episodes, the beams look like they're coming from the sensor dome, the ring around the dome, or an area above the ring).

 



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