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James Elliott
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Posted: 05 June 2012 at 11:52am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

James- That TOS.5 is what nu-trek should have used.

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It would have been nicer than what they did for sure!


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Posted: 05 June 2012 at 12:54pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Cool ideas, James! I've seen a few builds that have lasers built in. It's a neat effect. I'd be afraid of accidentally blinding myself, though!

I'm also a fan of a smooth hull--the retroactive paneling that many like to put on TOS models doesn't thrill me.

And it's been said that Roddenberry was hoping for a lighting effect in the inboard nacelle grilles, an idea that wasn't employed until TMP. I haven't seen many builds that have tried that effect. Sounds neat!

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Posted: 06 June 2012 at 9:29am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Thanks Greg.

On on of the modeling forums I used to visit years ago, someone posted a diorama of the Enterprise and some Klingon ships that he'd made which had lasers involved.  He might have had lasers and optic fibers though.

I've heard the same about the inboard nacelle lighting as well as something like it about the endcap lighting.  I think there are some modelers who've tried that, but it's been a long time since I saw it.

The "plasma globes" as bussard collectors isn't something I've seen done physically before and I don't have any good ideas on how to do it.  The smallest plasma globes I see for sale (example) are about three inches in diameter which is too big for a 33" Enterprise and I'm not sure how they'd look.

Nice to meet another who doesn't like the hull lines.  I've always felt that the hull lines/paneling was a step in the wrong direction technology wise.  Given the technology on display on Star Trek (transporters, computers, warp engines), very large portions of the Enterprise could be "beamed" into existence whole, without any need for welding them together and thus no seems or hull lines.
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Posted: 06 June 2012 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Nice to meet another who doesn't like the hull lines.  I've always felt that the hull lines/paneling was a step in the wrong direction technology wise.  Given the technology on display on Star Trek (transporters, computers, warp engines), very large portions of the Enterprise could be "beamed" into existence whole, without any need for welding them together and thus no seems or hull lines.
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Agreed!

I'm all for the saucer grid, though, since I'm a rivet-counter--but it needs to be subtle, subtle, subtle. But any sort of retconned, "aztec"-style paneling feels wrong to me.

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You could probably do the "plama effect" with transparent paint, and then some pulsing LED. 

It still amazes me that as we re-imagine the future we get more gee-gwas and doo-dads and "realisic detail" and not less. 

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Nice to meet another who doesn't like the hull lines. I've always felt that the hull lines/paneling was a step in the wrong direction technology wise. Given the technology on display on Star Trek (transporters, computers, warp engines), very large portions of the Enterprise could be "beamed" into existence whole, without any need for welding them together and thus no seems or hull lines.

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I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, it makes perfect sense that the Enterprise and her sister ships would be built of the smallest number of parts, given the technology -- but, on the other hand, there's plenty of evidence that the technology is perhaps not quite so advanced as we'd like to think.

Most instances of "primitive" technology spring from the dramatic needs of the show, of course. Scotty using a hand phaser to cut thru a bulkhead wall in "The Naked Time" for instance. "Future tech" thinking tells me he should, at the very least, have a tool for that -- and that common sense would keep several of those tools scattered around the ship, not all locked up in engineering.

STAR TREK often stumbled over its own technology. "The Enemy Within" is a classic example -- Sulu and the landing party freezing to death down on the planet because the transporter is on the fritz, but no explanation given (internally) of why a shuttlecraft isn't sent down.*

The idea that the ship could be assembled out of huge "slices" that were beamed into place presents another instance of the technology either not being fully exploited, or being somewhat short of what we might think. And there's another element to this. If the ship was assembled out of sections teleported into place, there is the question of how repairs would be done, out in space, away from docking facilities. How much can the onboard transporters handle? Could a section of hull be beamed away so repairs could be done? Could repairs be done WITH the transporter?

This latter, of course, raises the question of why anybody ever had to DIE, since they could be reassembled from the pattern from the last time they transported anywhere.

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* I've often wondered why, outside of those pesky dramatic reasons, the landing party wasn't just beamed up. They'd be split into "good" and "evil" iterations of themselves, true, but since they were dead men anyway, if left on the planet, why not just bring them aboard and confine them until a solution could be found to the transporter problem?

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Posted: 06 June 2012 at 6:40pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Well, I just spent the past few hours soldering and assembling the lighting board for Reliant's navigation and strobe lights. WHEW!

Pretty neat to see them all blinking correctly!

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Posted: 07 June 2012 at 8:18pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Very cool greg!  Looking forward to new pics! 
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I see that a resin 1/2500 JJ-prise has recently been released as a garage kit.

 

How thrilled I am to live in a world where the TOS ship is the one getting the deluxe licensed kit treatment!

 

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Posted: 14 June 2012 at 7:00pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Here's my Reliant flasher board:

 

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Posted: 15 June 2012 at 8:29am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

neato!
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Greg have you ever considered getting your model wok published? Fine Scale modler pays $35 if they print your photo. 
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No, I hadn't considered it. Seriously, I'm not that good!
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Posted: 17 June 2012 at 2:25pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

Well your stuff photographs as well as most things I've seen. I think a 4 page article on your Reliant build would be great. 
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Posted: 17 June 2012 at 9:33pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Well, we're not exactly there, yet...

So much work left to do!

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Posted: 18 June 2012 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Do you expect to be done before the TOS:E is released? I plan on dropping everything else to work on that. 
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Nope. I'm going slow on this. And it'll probably be years before I get to the 1/350 TOS or Refit.
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Here's the first 1/350 second pilot build, done by the same gent who built the Wonderfest 1/350 test shot:

http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=42476

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Just wow. I have never wanted a kit so much! I still have to figure out where I am going to but the 1/350 kits. as they will not fit in the man cave of the new house due to sloped celings starting at just under the 5' mark. So I cannot put anything large on top of my 5' tall shelves. Perhaps the  X-Box room... But that has tiny, unsupervised hands. Hmmm.
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Perhaps the  X-Box room... But that has tiny, unsupervised hands. Hmmm.

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Just put invisible fencing around the models!

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Just put invisible fencing around the models!

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Transparent aluminium?

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Posted: 21 June 2012 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

SOLD!

 

http://www.scififantasymodeller.co.uk/English/welcome.php

  • Polar Lights 1/350 Enterprise exclusive: Gary Kerr on researching the original studio miniatures and blueprinting the new release - amazing facts and photographs!
  • Polar Lights 1/350 Enterprise exclusive: A detailed build of the new kit!
  • Polar Lights 1/350 Enterprise exclusive: Overview of the first test-shot and kit production progress report!
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    Greg - Thanks for bringing that mag to my attention.  I will order a copy from my LCS, as well as the 1/350 TOS Enterprise when it comes up for order. 

    My current Star Trek modelling projects are:

    - 1/12 Federation Models Work Bee.  At the priming stage.

    - Destroyed USS Majestic.  I have cut large holes in an AMT Reliant and am scratchbuilding exposed decks, sliced open hanger deck, weapons pod, and one nacelle.

    - AMT Ktinga.  Superdetailing the head, but leaving the rest out of the box.

    - AMT Vulcan Shuttle.  Straight out of the box.

     

     

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    those all sound like great projects Peter! Lets see some WIP shots.  I think they are taking 1701 wait-list memberships still.If the original people flake, then you would get first dibs.

    My ST projects are much as they were last year. 

    1/2500  Ent. A-E all primed. 

    1/100 refit sanded most of the old paint job and getting ready to reprime.

    1/350 refit is the monster hiding in my closet.

    1/350 TOS waiting with bait-like breath. 
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    As for me...

    * 1/1000 Excelsior, which I've taken a long break from, just because of the daunting accurization process of the horrible Ertl kit.

    * 1/537 Reliant--same deal. A minor break, but still working on it. Need to work out the electronics setup before I can proceed.

     

    And I've got a 1/1000 Refit and 2 1/1000 TOS Enterprises still in their boxes.

    Just today, I was at my local Michael's for some supplies, when I saw that they were clearancing off their 1/1000 TOS kits for $11.99 each. I could not resist, and bought another one. That's the reason I have two in the box, as noted above.

     

    This also leads me to my qurrent quandry:

    Initially, my plan was to stick with the more managable and space-effective 1/1000 scale models. My accidental "History of the Enterprise" series is nearly complete (first pilot, second pilot, destroyed Refit, 1701-A), but now...

    Now that I've committed to doing the 1/350 Refit and the TOS 1/350, I wonder why I should even bother with the 1/1000 versions, except maybe as practice.

    The whole point of the pilot models (aside from their aesthetic value) was practice for my ultimate 1/1000 production-era model. That's the whole premise of my build-blog:

    http://enterproject.wordpress.com

     

    But now...why should I even bother with two more 1/1000 Enterprises (TOS-production, and ST-TMP), when the 1/350 kits are waiting in the wings? I've already acquired a number of aftermarket parts and decals for my previously-planned 1/1000 Refit, though.

     

    There are certainly alternatives, though. Here are a few:

    * An ENTERPRISE-style TOS Defiant. As perverse as it is, the aztec plating and subtle differences would be a nice challenge.

    * A CREW-style NX-0002, as a tribute to our host's great TREK comics.

    * A kitbash of the TOS and Refit kits, so as to make a conjectural PHASE II Enterprise based on Jefferies' original design for the aborted show.

     

     

    Anyhoo, to completely change the topic:

    Lately, I've been hooked on Steve Neill's YouTube channel. His build videos are fascinating and highly entertaining. It's amazing to see him at work (and his occasional stories about working on ST-TMP and other films are very neat bonuses).

    His builds are just jaw-dropping. Certainly, his 66" TOS Enterprise is the crown jewel. But, his AMT K'Tinga, Enterprise-B, and restoration of Greg Jein's Daedalus model (among others) are also fantastic.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/darkuboot

     

    I must say that It would be way cool to get one of Steve's Daedalus kits (which are 1/350 scale, I think) as a companion piece to the 1/350 TOS Enterprise.

    I really do like the Daedalus design, and it works great as a logical precursor to the Enterprise (which it really WAS!). I understand that Doug Drexler and Mike Okuda wanted the NX-01 to have that design, but were vetoed by Paramount.

     

    I'm also hooked on TrekWorks' channel, which has lots of great build videos and tips:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/TrekWorks

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