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Peter Martin
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Another piece like this is now officially in the pipeline

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Wow! Pieces like this don't come along too often. Very interesting!

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Nathan Greno
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From the X-Men Companion II (Fantagraphics Books, Inc. 1982)...

Interesting to read about JB's early thoughts on an Alpha Flight series...! 

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SANDERSON: Now, you're planning to bring Alpha Flight back in the FF?

BYRNE: I hope to eventually, yes.

SANDERSON: And you'd like to do a mini-series with them sometime, you said?

BYRNE: A mini-series at least.

SANDERSON: Maybe even a full series? Make it a book?

BYRNE: Well, if there's a market for it, I'd love to do a regular series.

 

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Posted: 07 July 2010 at 11:53am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Now, that book I have!

See, JB, you DO love Alpha Flight! YOU DO!!

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Posted: 07 July 2010 at 12:35pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Welllll. . . .   consider the date. I gave that interview in 1982, and the first issue of ALPHA FLIGHT came out in 1983. The book was already in the pipeline, I was just not then in a position to announce it yet.

(sigh Remember when it was possible to keep secrets in this Biz?)

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Posted: 07 July 2010 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

" Another piece like this is now officially in the pipeline --"

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...........?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!

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" Another piece like this is now officially in the pipeline --"

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...........?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!

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Yup. For Jim Warden.

And we have promised Nathan it will not exceed the figure count in his!

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Nathan Greno
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Posted: 07 July 2010 at 9:27pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

JB: Yup. For Jim Warden.

And we have promised Nathan it will not exceed the figure count in his!

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You two are really sweet!! :)

And if it is what I think it is.......HOLY SH%T! :)

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Posted: 07 July 2010 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

From the X-Men Companion II (Fantagraphics Books, Inc. 1982)...

More on AF...

SANDERSON: When Vindicator first appears in #109, he appears to have a very different personality than in his later appearances. He seems much nastier toward Wolverine.

BYRNE: Oh, that was just the way Chris wrote it. I never much had any concept of how he was talking or what he was thinking durning that confrontation sequence, except that they were fighting, which meant he wasn't too friendly.

SANDERSON: So at that point you hadn't worked out all the relationship that he and Wolverine had had in the past?

BYRNE: No, most of that came from Chris and I simply accepted it. None of it was too far beyond anything I considered right for the character.

SANDERSON: So Chris came up with the business of Hudson and his wife having found Wolverine and brought him to live with them and put him into Alpha Flight...

BYRNE: All of that came from Chris. All I gave Chris in that first issue was reference to Heather. Chris at one point suggested that Heather was Vindicator's sister, and I said, "No, Heather is his wife and always has been."

 

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There's a little bit of backstory some of you may not know.

It was Chris who came up with the name Alpha Flight. My name for the group, back when they (or some of them, anyway) were fan characters, was the Canadian Shield. This was not a reference to SHIELD, in the Marvel Universe, but to the arc of mountains that curve around Hudson's Bay. (Hudson's Bay also gave Guardian his real name.)

Obviously, we couldn't use "the Canadian Shield" for the group in X-MEN, so after I gave up trying to come up with something better, Chris used "Alpha Flight", which I have never much cared for.

Guardian went thru something similar. I was told I could not use my original name for him because of the Guardians of the Galaxy. So Chris started calling him "Major Maple Leaf" and I was desperately afraid that would stick. I tried to come up with something else, but nothing worked. It was Chris who dubbed him "Vindicator", naming him after a WW2 fighter plane. When I asked what Canada had to "vindicate" there was no answer. Thus we got the first of many names that had nothing to do with what the character was all about.

By the time Alpha got their own book, I was able to argue in favor of restoring "Guardian", tho many still call the character "Vindicator", unaware of this "behind the scenes" stuff.

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Posted: 08 July 2010 at 10:16am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Well I'm a purist-- so I call him "Vindicator".

*ducks out of the way*

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Nathan Greno
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Posted: 08 July 2010 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

From X-Men #109-


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Nathan Greno
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Posted: 08 July 2010 at 1:47pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply


JB re-imagines Cockrum...

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Posted: 08 July 2010 at 1:56pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

"Well, today I took the commission to get framed..."

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Hey Nathan....did you ever get "Paging Nathan Greno" framed?  If so, it definitely needs a spotlight in the Framed Commissions thread!

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Ryan Maxwell
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Posted: 08 July 2010 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

My birthday present to myself this year



Edited by Ryan Maxwell on 08 July 2010 at 2:09pm

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Posted: 08 July 2010 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

There was a line change, I think, in either the Classic X-Men version of UXM 109 or in the UXM 109 pages exerpted in AF #17, where instead of saying "You were there when I sliced Chasin's [sic] tie" Wolverine says "I cut my ties...and Chasen's."  I loved that line change.

I only have the original for reference.  Does anyone know where the line change takes place?  And if it's just in my head, let me down gently.

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Posted: 08 July 2010 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

It was in AF #17.
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Posted: 08 July 2010 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

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Posted: 08 July 2010 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Thank you, William!  Now I can sleep.  Literally.  I'm off to nap before work.
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No Problem, sleep well.
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Posted: 08 July 2010 at 6:24pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

(Nice present to yerself, Ryan!)
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More "Comics Creators On X-Men" (Titan Books - 2006)...

From the Louise Simonson chapter -- 

Do you know why John Byrne left X-Men?

Louise Simonson: I think it really came down to struggle for control. John wanted to control X-Men and Chris wanted to control X-Men. It was my job to mediate between the two. They were doing such a wonderful job, but John and Chris couldn't seem to share the creative process. John wanted to be in charge and I couldn't let that happen because I thought Chris was very important to the book. Sure, I disagreed with Chris on occasion, but on balance there was more instances, plot-wise, where John wanted to do something and Chris wanted to do something and I thought Chris had the better idea. I think John was not happy with this and had his own vision. So, at that point, John left and did a book where he could be in complete control, which was Fantastic Four. He could write and draw it all by himself. I think he made the right choice.

How did you feel when he quit?

Louise Simonson: I thought, 'Oh my God, I've broken X-Men. I've been given this perfect gem of a book and I broke it. I have allowed John Byrne to go away.' I was just completely appalled. I loved John's stuff and I liked John personally. I was really unhappy about the split between the two creators, but I do think it was inevitable.

 

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Do you know why John Byrne left X-Men?

Louise Simonson: I think it really came down to struggle for control. John wanted to control X-Men and Chris wanted to control X-Men. It was my job to mediate between the two. They were doing such a wonderful job, but John and Chris couldn't seem to share the creative process. John wanted to be in charge and I couldn't let that happen because I thought Chris was very important to the book. Sure, I disagreed with Chris on occasion, but on balance there was more instances, plot-wise, where John wanted to do something and Chris wanted to do something and I thought Chris had the better idea. I think John was not happy with this and had his own vision.

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Not even close to true.

I left, as I have stated many, many, MANY times, because I finally hit the end of my rope when it came to Chris and me (and sometimes Chris on his own, and sometimes me on my own) plotting out very specific scenes for very specific purposes in advancing the story, then seeing the finished issue and finding Chris had scripted the scene as something else entirely.

Shooter, at one point, had offered me script approval -- I would be sent a copy of Chris' script to "edit" before it went to the letterer -- but that sounded like too much extra work, especially since I would be expected to do it gratis. So, since I was already set to write the FF, with Bill continuing to pencil, when Bill decided to go with Doug over to MOON KNIGHT, I decided to pencil FF, too.

There was never so much as a single instance of me wanting to do something, Chris wanting to do something else, and Weezie choosing Chris' idea over mine.

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Posted: 09 July 2010 at 9:15am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

You have always been very clear with your reasons for leaving the X-Men, JB. You've always given a consistant answer for moving on. Your interviews in the 80's state the same reasons you state today.

Louise Simonson seems to be a bit off on the facts -- and Claremont doesn't seem to have a clue!...... 

"Comics Creators On X-Men" (Titan Books - 2006)...

When you and John Byrne first took over X-Men, you mentioned you guys had a good rapport going there. What happened?

Chris Claremont: Honestly, I don't know. I do not know what the hell happened to this day. John got royally pissed off at me, but never told me why -- directly or indirectly. We had a good synergy with Roger Stern as editor. Less so with Jim Salicrup. When Louise Jones/Simonson came in as editor, I guess he figured that she was more simpatico with me and that's when he decided to move on. You'll have to read John's autobiography to find out what pissed him off. I just know that it was so major that the last thirty years haven't smoothed things out between us. I think he always felt that he was the one who was actually plotting the book, but I wasn't giving him credit for it. I just figured it was a collaboration. The line of division between aspects of contribution was hard to separate, especially when you're talking about a relationship that was as freewheeling as they were in those days. Sometimes I would look at a sketch and say, 'Hey, that's a great character. Why don't we make something out of it? I got this idea where you could blah-blah-blah.' The next thing you know, you've got a twelve-part epic. 

 

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They asked Weezi why I left. They asked Chris why I left. Is there anywhere in this book where they asked ME why I left?
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^ What, and spoil the drama?  ;)
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