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Nathan Greno
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Posted: 10 May 2011 at 10:20pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Yup!

One of us feels it's odd that the Canadian X-Man wasn't drawn on the cover.

And btw, I can't reveal which side I am on according to the "rules". Any comments I make should not be seen as my views on the subject. I can tell you what I thought after JB clears this debate up (and I'm not sure he'll want to get involved!)

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In the drawing below, Wolverine is mostly cut out of frame. One of us believes this may be a reflection of how you felt about the character at the time. The same person also believes you placed him there so Logan "could not see what is going on" -- "he's too short to see over Cyclops"...

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As a wise man once said, "Please don't read between the lines, I don't write there." Or draw there.

Or does this "person" to whom you refer imagine I also have such "feelings" towards Banshee, the Scarlet Witch, and the Vision?

As another wise man once said, "Yeesh!"

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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 6:33am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

The ability JB has to always draw the characters acting their part may
be his greatest strength. I stopped for a moment and thought how
outlandish Hawkeye's mask really looks...then looked at his
expression and noticed his total ease and conviction in his garb and
role.
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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 6:36am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

First time I noticed the Silver Surfer lost in his own thoughts in this
group shot! Brilliant!
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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 10:15am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Nathan: We have an office in the new joint that will be devoted to my
favorite artist. Wall-to-wall Byrne! I promise, I WILL post pics when it's done
:)

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Sounds incredible, Nathan. I, for one, am looking forward to the many
afternoons we will spend there talking about old times! Yeah-- I wish.

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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

We have an office in the new joint that will be devoted to my favorite artist. Wall-to-wall Byrne!

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Kind of like my Kirby Korner -- but with a much less significant artist!

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JB: Or does this "person" to whom you refer imagine I also have such "feelings" towards Banshee, the Scarlet Witch, and the Vision?

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I WIN!!

Thanks for the answer, JB. I keep saying the same thing!!! My buddy, Jason (the fool), has also pointed out that Kitty faces the viewer because "you still liked that character by the end of your X-Men run".

He's nuts.

 

My buddy owes me 20 bucks! Thanks again, JB. I'll send you your cut.

 

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My buddy, Jason (the fool), has also pointed out that Kitty faces the viewer because "you still liked that character by the end of your X-Men run".

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As you probably know, the reverse is true. Chris had so mishandled scripting Kitty -- who was, after all, my character -- that by the time I left X-MEN I wanted nothing further to do with her.* I'd settled down a bit by the time I drew this group shot, but there is really no significance at all to Kitty looking at the viewer -- except to be "cute".

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* Some of you may recall that I was originally asked to work on the X-MEN/ALPHA FLIGHT book, and I said I would on two conditions: neither Chris nor I would have anything to do with the plotting, and Kitty would not be in the book. Both were agreed to by Shooter.

When I received the plot, it was OBVIOUSLY written by Claremont, and Kitty was all over it. When I complained, I was told I was being "unprofessional" and the editor actually HUNG UP ON ME!!

Ah, those happy, halcyon days at Marvel!

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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 11:31am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

I was recently reading a then newly-restarted Bullpen Bulletin from just after you'd left X-MEN, JB, wherein Jim Shooter explained that you had left the comicbook because you'd grown tired of working on mutants. So, all these unofficial peeks behind the curtain are fascinating!
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Nathan: We have an office in the new joint that will be devoted to my favorite artist. Wall-to-wall Byrne!

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JB: Kind of like my Kirby Korner -- but with a much less significant artist!

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Nathan: I guess you haven't seen enough of Byrne's work.

 

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Coming in late to this party, but before looking at that Marvel Fanfare cover, I've never seen JB draw Thor in the Simonson-era armor before. I like it!
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JB: ...there is really no significance at all to Kitty looking at the viewer -- except to be "cute".

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I get it! In reply I've pointed out that Puck must be JB's favorite given his spot in the bullpen drawing. The response I get: "Well yeah. Haven't you seen the Alpha Flight poster?"

He's talking about...

Yes. He's crazy!! :)

 

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Posted: 12 May 2011 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

...and now I need to drop this subject before he gets pissed at me. (He visits here -- but doesn't post)
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I never cease to be amazed at what people can read into my work. A sizable percentage of Big Bad Byrne stories come from this source -- I say "Green", and they parse it down to "blue and yellow" and then decide I meant "blue".

Crazy!

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JB: As part of having Kitty brought into the group, I wanted to use her to remind readers that Kurt was a MONSTER, and "normal" humans could not be expected to be comfortable around him.

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The same problem happens with the Thing -- people forget about the "monster" part...



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Posted: 16 May 2011 at 7:50pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

...and the characters slowly turn into...


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Posted: 16 May 2011 at 7:52pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

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Posted: 16 May 2011 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply


..."Bamf" doll?

Really?
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Mmm! The smell of wet fur! "Yum" indeed!

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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 7:56pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

JB,

Was the calendar art below meant to represent where the series was headed? I know the plan was to bring Bobby back...



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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 7:58pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

...and I'm not sure why Wolverine's costume was changed in the published version?


 
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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 10:32pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

I never noticed Wolverine's soft and doughy gut in that drawing before. What an unfortunate change. Thanks for posting the original, I've not seen that before.
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Posted: 18 May 2011 at 3:48am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

I don't remember anything about that particular piece -- but, then, looking at it now, the drawing is so BAD I probably blanked it from my mind!
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Posted: 18 May 2011 at 4:12am | IP Logged | 24 post reply

Sometimes, like this time, when JB comments that something he drew many years ago is unquestionably bad, well, that just proves to me that I know precious little about how to distinguish good from bad comicbook art!
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Compare to THIS more recent variant on the same theme, Michael, to see what I'm talking about.
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