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John Byrne
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Posted: 25 May 2010 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Here is Nathan's original list, if it will help. (IDIOT SQUAD ALERT: These numbers do not represent the labels in Dan's image!!)

1. Amahl Farouk

2. Angel (red and white version)

3. Arcade

4. Avalanche

5. Aurora

6. Banshee (smoking his pipe?)

7. Beast (blue and furry)

8. Blob

9. Caliban (It would be really fun to see the "Lost X-Man" from JB's run lurking in the drawing somewhere!)

10. Charles Xavier (wearing something from the run)

11. Cyclops

12. Colossus (next to Kitty?)

13. Dazzler

14. Demon of N'Garai

15. Destiny

16. Donald Pierce

17. Earthquake (Imperial Guard)

18. Garokk

19. Gladiator (Imperial Guard)

20. Harry Leland

21. Havok

22. Heather Hudson (round lens glasses)

23. Hellfire Mercenary (armed)

24. Hussar (Imperial Guard)

25. Jahf

26. Ka-Zar

27. Kate Pryde (Days of Future Past)

28. Kitty Pryde (wearing her school uniform)

29. Kree (from the Dark Phoenix Saga)

30. Logan (Days of Future Past version - cover of X-Men 141)

31. Lilandra (wearing her armor)

32. Magneto

33. Manta (Imperial Guard)

34. Mariko Yashida

35. Mastermind/Jason Wyngarde (Nathan couldn't make up his mind... your choice!)

36. Mesmero

37. Miss Locke

38. Modt

39. Moira MacTaggert

40. Moses Magnum

41. Mystique

42. Nanny (Magneto's robot)

43. Nightcrawler (with a "bamf"?)

44. Nightside (Imperial Guard)

45. Northstar

46. Oracle (Imperial Guard)

47. Phoenix

48. Polaris

49. Proteus

50. Pyro

51. Recorder

52. Robert Kelly (Senator/President)

53. Sasquatch

54. Sauron

55. Sebastian Shaw (shirtless?)

56. Sentinel

57. Shaman

58. Skrull (from the Dark Phoenix Saga)

59. Smasher (Imperial Guard)

60. Snowbird (please do not draw her in "mid-change" as she appears in some commissions)

61. Starbolt (Imperial Guard)

62. Storm (the all white eye look -- no pupil/iris please!)

63. Sunfire

64. Tempest (Imperial Guard)

65. Vindicator

66. The Watcher

67. Wendigo

68. White Queen

69. Warstar (Imperial Guard)

70. Wolverine (wearing his yellow and blue - claws showing)

After some sniveling and whining from me, Nathan agree to let me put Wolverine in my version of the costume, and we subsequently realized I had not drawn Nightside in any of the Imperial Guard appearances, so she was replaced in the number count with Zabu.

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Posted: 25 May 2010 at 1:02pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

70 characters!!! I usually don't like to use LOL-type speak, but OMG!!!!!
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Nathan Greno
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Posted: 25 May 2010 at 1:38pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Vinny: 70 characters!!! I usually don't like to use LOL-type speak, but OMG!!!!!

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JB added Mr. Chambers and the extra Sentinels -- so it's actually 74 characters. As I noted before: a new record for Master Byrne! :)
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Dan Marcoux
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Posted: 25 May 2010 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I missed Caliban while I was numbering the characters!  Based on Nathan's list and input from others, this is what I've come up with as the character list and what I'll be adding to the Gallery index...

1    -    Watcher
2    -    Modt
3    -    Angel
4    -    Sauron
5    -    Sun-Fire
6    -    Snowbird
7    -    Sentinel
8    -    Shaman
9    -    Shadow King
10    -    Sasquatch
11    -    Blob
12    -    Proteus
13    -    Mr. Chambers
14    -    Arcade
15    -    Moses Magnum
16    -    Garokk
17    -    N'garai
18    -    White Queen
19    -    Kree
20    -    B'nee (Warstar)
21    -    Skrull
22    -    Recorder
23    -    Earthquake
24    -    Hussar
25    -    C'cll (Warstar)
26    -    Tempest
27    -    Smasher
28    -    Starbolt
29    -    Hellfire Mercenary
30    -    Donald Pierce
31    -    Sebastian Shaw
32    -    Magneto
33    -    Nanny
34    -    Mesmero
35    -    Wendigo
36    -    Pyro
37    -    Miss Locke
38    -    Mystique
39    -    Ka-Zar
40    -    Zabu
41    -    Avalanche
42    -    Destiny
43    -    Kate Pryde
44    -    Logan
45    -    Mastermind
46    -    Harry Leland
47    -    Colossus
48    -    Manta
49    -    Oracle
50    -    Lilandra
51    -    Gladiator
52    -    Mariko
53    -    Wolverine
53.5    -    Caliban
54    -    Moira MacTaggert
55    -    Robert Kelly
56    -    Havok
57    -    Polaris
58    -    Cyclops
59    -    Phoenix
60    -    Banshee
61    -    Storm
62    -    Heather Hudson
63    -    Vindicator
64    -    Northstar
65    -    Aurora
66    -    Jahf
67    -    Beast
68    -    Professor X
69    -    Kitty Pryde
70    -    Dazzler
71    -    Nightcrawler

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Nathan Greno
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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 1:14am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

JB,

What were Caliban's powers? The notes on the old sketch are a little unclear...

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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 3:48am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

As I recall, he was super strong. The character was less about powers than about being hideously ugly -- we would never see him out of the suit, unless it was in a dark room, heavily shadowed. I wanted to play with a couple of things there -- one, that mutation could have a very negative effect on what an individual looked like, and second, that Kitty would react very differently to Caliban than she did to Kurt. You may recall that she was very uncomfortable around Nightcrawler (which gives special significance to the scene in "Days of Future Past" when Kate, in Kitty's body, hugs him). She would not be uncomfortable with Caliban, however, as his deformity was so great he was, to her, more akin to a bird with a broken wing, as opposed to Kurt who was, again, to her, freakish.

Unfortunately, altho he was on board for all this, after the hug, Chris promptly forgot about it. Kate was okay with Nightcrawler, so from then on so was Kitty. Since Caliban was not introduced before I left, it didn't matter, ultimately, I suppose.

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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 8:27am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

That is a much more interesting angle than the one he eventually used for Caliban.  Sounds like it would have been fun.
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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 8:31am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

That's kind of weird. Yesterday in D&D, our group encountered a ravid, a creature that animates lifeless objects with "positive energy."
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Ben Mcvay
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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 8:37am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

This Caliban reminds me of Quislet from the Legion in abilities and having a "vessel" to ride around in. Anybody know if this is just coincidence?
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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 9:18am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Not familiar with Quislet. When did s/he appear?
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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 9:22am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Quislet was a Legionnaire during the Levitz run in the mid-80's. 
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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 9:24am | IP Logged | 13 post reply

After my X-Days, then. Not that it matters, since I haven't read anything to do with the Legion since, oh, 1958!
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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 9:40am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

Oh, I've been wanting to point this out...

I really like Destiny's reaction to Logan and Kate! That was a fun scene to find -- pretty cool, JB!

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JB,

Do you have a favorite story from your X-Men run?

Also: Is there a character you wished you would have gotten around to using while you were on X-Men? (I remember you saying you wished you would have had the chance to use Super Skrull during your FF run...)

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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 9:52am | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Arcade teasing Snowbird with the birdseed is my favorite bit.
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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 10:16am | IP Logged | 17 post reply

Do you have a favorite story from your X-Men run?

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As the run progressed, I took on more and more of the plotting, eventually leading Chris to complain (perhaps too strong a word) that he was "losing control". Which was ironic, really, since my principle reason for quitting the book was that / could not control HIM! Stuff I plotted so very rarely ended up being what I intended, by the time Chris was done with it. Which means, yes, I have favorite stories -- but mostly they are in my head, not what you read in the book!

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Also: Is there a character you wished you would have gotten around to using while you were on X-Men? (I remember you saying you wished you would have had the chance to use Super Skrull during your FF run...)

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I was sorry we didn't find a way to use the Vanisher. Seriously! As a kid I found him so CREEPY!

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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 10:20am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

You more than made up for it in XMHY, JB.
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There were elements of HIDDEN YEARS over which I had no control, too. Mostly editorial "fixes" when it was assumed the people in the office knew the X-Men's history better than I did. (They didn't!)

This got us such things as the big X-MEN logo/emblem Dave had put on the vertical stabilizers of the strato-jet blacked out every time I drew it because "That's not something the X-Men would have." Also go the white strato-jet colored dark blue every time after the first appearance, as they tried to turn it into the Blackbird. And don't even get me started on redirected pointers on balloons! Magneto being give Sauron's dialog, even tho doing so makes not sense, for instance, because it happens to mention being a former associate of Xavier's.

All without CHECKING with me, of course!

sigh.

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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 10:50am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

(finally found my jaw)

Nathan Grrrreeennnoooooooo ! I hate you !

Ohmydogisalabrador ! That is a big part of my childhood ! Incredible ! Magnificient.

So sad to think that you're not part of what made Marvel the real House of Ideas anymore.

Excuse-me, I seem to have something in my eyes.
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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 10:51am | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Parts of the description of Caliban above remind me a bit of the poor, deformed mutant child that the Thing encountered in Thing #3 (or perhaps Thing #4). I remember getting that issue in a bag of 3 at the toy store and being very moved by it.

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This is a little off-topic, but since the subject of HIDDEN YEARS just came up...I recently read it for the first time. Great stuff, lot of fun, good to see a real X-Men series again, with Cyclops actually acting like he's supposed to!

You know what drove me nuts in that run? The letters pages! Almost every issue seemed to have somebody complaining that you forgot that the stories were supposed to take place in the late 60s or early 70s. They just don't get it!

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Posted: 26 May 2010 at 11:15am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

After my X-Days, then. Not that it matters, since I haven't read anything to do with the Legion since, oh, 1958!

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There was a great issue of Superman in the mid-80s where Superman encounters four Legionnaires (Brainiac 5, Sun Boy, Blok, and Invisible Kid).  You should check it out some time -- I think you'd enjoy it.  I wonder what ever happened to the guy who did that comic?

Kidding aside, Quislet first appeared in the September 1985 issue of Legion of Superheroes, long after you came up with the concept for Caliban.  Like Caliban, Quislet can animate inanimate objects, and like Caliban, Quislet rides around inside a shell (in Quislet's case, he's an energy being from another dimension who rides in a "ship" about the size of a football).

Quislet was created by Paul Levitz and Steve Lightle, and I can't imagine either of them had any access to your notes for Marvel so it's almost certainly a coincidence.

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I found complaints about the "time period errors" in XHY most illuminating. A fascinating window into a segment of fan thinking. For instance, many heads exploded when I had Bobby wearing a baseball cap backwards in the sneak preview in X-MEN 94, yet there was not a whisper when I had Xavier riding around in a Hummer.

This seemed closely related to the mentality that insisted I could not "reveal" anything that was not already established. Having Jean meet Ororo in Africa seemed particularly painful to some, even tho no one could show any absolute proof that it could not have happened.

It's a not uncommon problem, even in the real world, when the job of self-appointed "experts" becomes less about real knowledge, and more about protecting what THEY know!

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Forgetting what Caliban's powers were to be is a pretty classic example of my "drag to the trash" approach. Caliben didn't happen -- at least, not in that form -- so I "dumped" the concept.
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