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Matthew McCallum
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Here's a link to the latest article on the continuing saga we call Alan Moore:


At first, my reaction was typical Alan Moore being Alan Moore and I clicked on to my next bit of news. But then it struck me: Watchmen prequels and sequels. 25 years ago, I think that prospect would have filled me with excitement. Now, merely dread.

And with that thought, the following paragraph truly registered:

"However, DC Comics co-publishers Dan DiDio and Jim Lee said, 'Watchmen is the most celebrated graphic novel of all time. Rest assured, DC Comics would only revisit these iconic characters if the creative vision of any proposed new stories matched the quality set by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons nearly 25 years ago, and our first discussion on any of this would naturally be with the creators themselves.'"

First discussion. Which, I take to mean, there will be second and third discussions with other parties and DC is expressing a keen interest in exploiting these characters further.

And so, I solicit the group since we're the likely target demographic: Does the prospect of more Watchmen hold any interest?
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Posted: 22 July 2010 at 6:33am | IP Logged | 2  

Not even a little bit.

Amusing as always to read Moore getting proprietorial about WATCHMEN. He doesn't want them "back" he says. I wonder by what means he was able to determine that the creators of all those characters he used in THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN wanted them "back".

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I was at Wondercon in 87 I believe and I
asked at the time was there any plans for a
sequel to Dark Knight or Watchmen? And I'm
not sure who was on the DC panel but they
literally laughed at me and said why would
we ever consider doing something like that?

And here we are.

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Posted: 22 July 2010 at 6:43am | IP Logged | 4  

I want to see JB do a sequel to Watchmen........ or Alan Davis. Or if DC wants to really piss Moore off, they could ask Stephen Bissette to do it!
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I can't really think of what sort of sequel to Watchmen would work.  I think there's plenty of room for prequels, but they'd almost inevitably do a disservice to Watchmen.

Watchmen largely depends on the fact that its characters are analogs, so that the reader brings his existing memories of an emotional investment in the original characters specifically and other superheroes generally to the "new" characters.  The more we actually see the new characters in action prior to the "main event," the harder it would be to connect them to other superheroes.  So unless the prequels could somehow match the emotional resonance of years of reading superhero comics, the effect of Watchmen is going to be diminished. 
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Posted: 22 July 2010 at 7:23am | IP Logged | 6  

To me, almost everything DC puts out is a nod to the Watchmen. So they might as well get it over with and put out more Watchmen comics. 
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Posted: 22 July 2010 at 7:27am | IP Logged | 7  

The most interesting quote of the interview, in my opinion:

“The comics world has lots of unpleasant connections, when I think back over it, many of them to do with Watchmen.”

I quite agree.

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Petter Myhr Ness
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Posted: 22 July 2010 at 7:28am | IP Logged | 8  

James, they actually DID a sequel to DARK KNIGHT RETURNS already. I haven't read it, though.
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Tony Midyett
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I read the Dark Knight sequel about a year ago, and I have virtually no memory of it.  <shrug>

As for a Watchmen sequel...I seem to recall an interview years ago in which Moore said he might one day do a _prequel_, starring the Minutemen, and probably set in the '50's.  And it's inevitable that someone will get around to doing a sequel and/or prequel, but I can't imagine why Moore would care anymore.  Hasn't he left comics behind him?  <shrug>

What I'd like to see is someone like JB or Perez or Alan Davis do a Charlton character revival---the characters should have their own Earth, and the stories could be done Old School (TM), as a relief to Grim 'n Gritty (TM).  Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, The Question, , etc.-----I'd definitely buy those comics, if done right.  But Watchmen versions of the Charlton guys?  Nah, we already have Watchmen versions of all the DC and Marvel characters---don't need more.
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Greg Woronchak
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I wouldn't find a Watchmen prequel appealling, and I doubt a sequel can work, considering the closure achieved at the end of the limited series.

I'm guessing DC may be considering having the Watchmen characters as one of their 52 Earths, so that a cross-over would be possible (imagine JLA discovering these dark analogues of themselves, for example).



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Posted: 22 July 2010 at 7:55am | IP Logged | 11  

Yes that was part of my point Petter. They already went down that rabbit hole once...
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No interest at all from me.But imagine if they did do it,first off Jim Lee would likely want to do the art,getting rid of the nine panel grid in favour of splash pages!
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<<Watchmen largely depends onthe fact that its characters are analogs, so that the reader brings hisexisting memories of an emotional investment in the original charactersspecifically>>

Does it? Really?

Yes, I know Rorschach is The Question, Nite Owl the Blue Beetle etc etc...
But my knowledge of the original Charlton characters was never more than an acknowledgment that they existed. Certainly had never read any. To me they were all brand new characters, and I loved Watchmen when it came out.

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No, the analog thing means nothing to one's enjoyment, or lack thereof, of Watchmen. The only reason that the characters ARE analogs, as far as I know, is that Moore wanted to use the Charlton guys, & DC didn't want him to kill off and/or permanently scar their Charlton characters, so we got doppelgangers .  Besides, DC wanted to integrate their newly-purchased Charlton guys into the new post-Crisis unified Earth.  The story in Watchmen wouldn't allow that.
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 Tony Midyett wrote:
The only reason that the characters ARE analogs, as far as I know, is that Moore wanted to use the Charlton guys, & DC didn't want him to kill off and/or permanently scar their Charlton characters, so we got doppelgangers .

No, that's the only reason the characters aren't the Charlton originals.  Once Alan Moore knew he wasn't going to be allowed to use the Charlton characters, he certainly didn't have to use doppelgangers.  He could have created wholly original characters, but chose not to.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and concluding he did so because he wanted to draw on the existing resonances rather than to conclude he just didn't have any original characters in him.
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If Dave Gibbons draws so much as a stick figure, I am there.
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I loved Watchmen when it came out. But, to be honest, I never wanted to see more of them. I felt that the story that was told was inclusive and there was no reason to see past that.

Prequels might be fun, but I am not missing anything now that the original didn't flash back to. I wasn't left with burning questions or a need to see the original capers of Nite-Owl and Rorshach.

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<<Watchmen largely depends onthe fact that its characters are analogs, so that the reader brings hisexisting memories of an emotional investment in the original charactersspecifically>>

Does it? Really?

Yes, I know Rorschach is The Question, Nite Owl the Blue Beetle etc etc...
But my knowledge of the original Charlton characters was never more than an acknowledgment that they existed. Certainly had never read any. To me they were all brand new characters, and I loved Watchmen when it came out

I agree Jim. When I first read (and enjoyed) Watchmen, I had no familiarity at all with the Charlton characters.

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Posted: 22 July 2010 at 9:45am | IP Logged | 19  

It was only a matter of time.

My understanding, limited as it is, is that Paul Levitz has been putting the kibosh on any sort of Watchmen prequels/sequels all these years. Since he is no longer in management, the gate has been left open.
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Getting back to the question: I have no interest whatsoever. 

The story in and of itself was pretty complete, giving us enough on each of the characters to make any sort of prequel uninteresting.

It's kind of like the original "Star Wars" movie: a complete story. However, with that example there was plenty of territory to explore, but the original creator behind that let us all down.
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No interest, the movie was more than enough of a revisit for me. Watchmen has come to me lately to symbolize everything I don't like about comics. Watchmen is almost a non-comic story told with psuedo-comic "heroes" and told in a comic book format, maybe that's why it gets so many kudos outside of the comic community.
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I'm with Andrew. As much talk as there is about analogues and how important they are to the story, the truth is, they are not important. The characters, and the success of the story, is hinged on the fact that it is a complete tale, start to finish. We know as much about the characters, their world, their histories, their relationships, as we need to know in order for the story to work. 

I like Watchmen. As a story in and of itself, I enjoy it. Would I read a sequel or prequels set in the same world? No. Even if it were Moore and Gibbons. This modern movement to see every moment of a character's life is getting old and really irritating. 

When the Underworld prequel came out, never having seen any of them I asked a friend why he wanted to see it so bad. His response was that he'd finally see why the vampires and werewolves went to war with each-other. I asked, wasn't that covered in the original movie as part of the set-up? 

He said yes. But now he'd get to SEE it. So basically, it's just another vampire vs. werewolf story in a series about vampires vs. werewolves, and you just want to see vampires and werewolves fight again. Instead of popping in the first movie again, you need them to make another one to show you more fighting. But this is how it STARTED. You already KNOW how it started. But I get to see it!

What could possibly entice you to see something you already know, which was just background information for a different story? It'd be like looking at a mural on a wall and needing to know how the bricks were made, and after being told they were fired in a kiln, demanding to see the specific kiln. Talk about missing the point of looking at a mural!
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To me, almost everything DC puts out is a nod to the Watchmen. So they might as well get it over with and put out more Watchmen comics. 

That made me laugh Joe, thanks.

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After the fiasco of reading some "America's Best Comics" written by others than Moore, i'm not interested.
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The thing is, and this is directed at no one here, if someone like Paul Cornell or Grant Morrison wrote a prequel or sequel, people would be all over it.  Even if they had already denounced such a thing as a "travesty".

I do not see the need for an expansion of Watchmen in any way, shape or form.  The story had a definite end to it, and we got the backstory with it as well.

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