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Ray Brady
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I was flipping through the Vintage DC Comics postcard collection my lovely wife gave me for my birthday, when I noticed something that had escaped me for decades. This cover, for the Brave and the Bold #29:


is a direct homage to this cover from All Star Comics #43:


After I got over the "Eureka" moment of finally making the connection between two images I've seen dozens of times before, a thought occurred to me. The B&B cover was published in 1960, making it the earliest example I can think of where a comic book cover pays tribute to a previous cover.

So, can anyone beat this? Does anyone know of an earlier example?
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Good one.  I doubt it will be beat.
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I think I've got one for you!



Certainly no one would accuse WHIZ COMICS 1 of being a swipe of ACTION COMICS 1 but I definitely think the similarities are intentional.  It's like, "Oh yeah?  Our red-garbed, cape-wearing, strong man hero is even tougher than yours, he's throwing the car not just running with it over his head!"

They switched the movement from left/right to right/left and adjusted the angle a little bit. 
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Those are both classic covers, Joe. I'm not sure that comparison is as clear
cut as Ray's. And though I like Captain Marvel more than Superman, I have to
say that the Man of Steel has the more powerful debut cover.
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There's a remarkably small amount of damage being inflicted in those last two covers, isn't there? Reminds us yet again of the intended audience!
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True, as long as you don't think too much about what's likely to happen to the guy being ejected from the car Captain Marvel threw!   Yikes!

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I think there's certainly a case for imitation/continuation on those covers.  Very good call and I'd never really associated them in that way.  These would have been late 30's early 40's as well so I think it is more than coincidence that they are each throwing the same exact type of car.
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Hmm... there's certainly no doubt the Whiz Comics artist would have been aware of the Action cover, so there's unquestionably influence there. I'm inclined to agree that it may be an intentional reference. Well spotted, Joe!
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I don't think the Whiz cover could count as 'homage' or 'tribute.'  'Swipe' maybe, but I don't think they are similar enough for that word either.  When an artist produces a cover that is composed like Fantastic Four #1 or Crisis #7, the reader is meant to immediately see the connection and smile (or gag, depending on how poorly it is executed)
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There's a remarkably small amount of damage being inflicted in those last two covers, isn't there? Reminds us yet again of the intended audience!

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True, as long as you don't think too much about what's likely to happen to the guy being ejected from the car Captain Marvel threw!   Yikes!

Ah, but that's where the intended audience comes into play again! Kids don't often consider that thru-line of action-to-consequence. Comic book images, like those covers, tend(ed) to be snapshots of the action, and there was rarely any display of what happened in the "next frame".

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Ah, but that's where the intended audience comes into play again!
Kids don't often consider that thru-line of action-to-consequence.
Comic book images, like those covers, tend(ed) to be snapshots of the
action, and there was rarely any display of what happened in the "next
frame".

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This is where, I think, the problem comes in when we talk about the
inappropriateness of current comics. Kids don't, but adults do. As
adults continuing there own fandom, they seem to have a need to
show every instance of this. Once you start down that road, it ceases
being a case of action-to-consequence and becomes violence-to-
consequence.

While this has happened in the past to add weight to a Really big
story, now it's become too common place. It's the biggest reason,
IMO, comics aren't fun to read anymore.

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During the Dark Phoenix "saga" there was a moment in which Phoenix did "something" to Colossus. The panel was set up in such a way that we didn't know what, but it was obvious he was NOT enjoying himself. To this day, people occasionally ask me what she did, and I tell them to use their imaginations.

A decade later I did a similar scene in AVENGERS WEST COAST, in which the Scarlet Witch, under the influence of Magneto, does "something" to Wonder Man, and this almost instantly became known as "the blowjob scene", and rumors abounded that it was the reason I was "fired" off WCA.

That's a pretty clear encapsulation, I think, of what happens when the audience sticks around too long, and starts applying adult perceptions to what they're reading.

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Geez! I wasn't aware you were fired off WCA. A bit of an overreaction
considering that Ultimate Hulk destroys half of Manhattan, because he
was horny and wanted to rape Betty. Different times I guess.
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Geez! I wasn't aware you were fired off WCA.

I wasn't. That was my point.

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That story about the powers that be losing their mind about Scarlet Witch JB, mkaes me lose my faith in the comic industry.
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Read his post again guys, it wasn't the "powers that be" who lost their minds about the Scarlet Witch scene.  It was some fans.  Who then spread rumors.  
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I think a lot of people thought that something sexual was going on because the Scarlet Witch was saying she was free or morality, was going to show Wonder Man how she appreciated how handsome he was, and began to rip off his shirt.




I have been thinking about this scene and trying to think of another way this could be interpreted besides sexually and I can't. It doesn't make sense for her to say that she's going to show how she appreciates how handsome he is and then attack him violently.

However, the head placement of Wanda shows that's physically impossible for her to be giving him oral sex.
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Sorry folks, I miss read.
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I never thought Wanda was giving a BJ to Wonderman, since her head was still showing, I figured she was doing something painful to a certain private area with her hands - given the scratches she was giving him, etc.  Now, granted, I was a teen when the book came out - so I'm not even sure I knew what a BJ was at the time, and if I did, why anyone would scream at the thought of getting one.

Noting the scene in UXM 136 with Jean and Colossus, the "lines" on Colossus' shorts do point up and down instead of sideways, indicating that something was grabbing him hard in a certain area.  I clearly remember that one since I asked my older brother at the time I read the book (I was 9),  "what is she doing to him to make him scream?" - He pointed out the "grabbing lines" on the shorts and said "she's squeezing his nuts".  I remember the moment clear as yesterday, made me laugh my ass off.

This is all from memory, of course, got nothing to refer to or to post to illustrate my point.


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"However, the head placement of Wanda shows that's physically impossible for her to be giving him oral sex."

Unless there's another reason he's called Wonder Man.

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Anthony, another reason I didn't think she was doing anything physical to him is that Wonder Man is up there with the Thing and Thor for invulnerability and Scarlet Witch, from what I know, doesn't have the physical strength to hurt him with her nails.
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Going by JB's comment, I believe there's no right answer to what she does, but there are some wrong ones.  I always thought she was utilizing her powers to somehow inflict physical damage to his chest or abdomen with her hand.  I also thought her comments were meant to inflict further emotional pain, just being cruel, as she knew how Wonderman felt. 
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It's vague enough so that it accomplishes two things: 1) it can be interpreted on a variety of levels for multiple ages, and 2) makes it seem all the worse bc you can only imagine what could possibly be happening. For all we know she's slowly disemboweling him with her hex power, or mentally turning his own heartache into physical pain, or setting his insides ablaze. 

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My initial thought upon reading it was, turning his heartache into
physical pain. That's kinda how I read the scene leading up to that
moment.
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