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Martin Redmond
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I thought they had one. His name started with an "M" or something...?

Mesmero?

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Mark Haslett
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Even in JB's account, Shooter's interference leads to a better story. So sad Shooter has to rewrite events to give himself more and more credit.

He even perpetuates the myth that X-Men took off in sales because of that story. Appealing to Salicrup to verify his version-- it turns out that Salicrup came in after everything was already a done deal. Pesky little facts.

One would think this was all a matter of record as told in Phoenix- the untold tale.

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Are you asking if I'd rather be kicked in the right testicle or the left?

Question asked and answered...

... ouch ...

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 QUOTE:
Mesmero?

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Stéphane Garrelie
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Mactor Three?
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Stéphane Garrelie
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And of course it's leader the Mutant Master!
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Way better than Moctor Moom.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Joke apart i loved Jean as Phoenix and never was happy that her dark side became more than a Hulk sort of menace (something bad inside).

I wasn't happy to see her destroy an inhabited  planet, and even less happy to see her die.

Loved the Hellfire arc, stopped to like the Dark Phoenix one when she destroyed that star.

But of course i wanted to keep Jean as Phoenix, that's how i liked and still like her.

That didn't stop me to continue to enjoy both yours and Chris' work ,though.



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I didn't like Phoenix from the get-go. Didn't like the psuedo-FF origin, didn't like the way she burst up out of Jamaica Bay making a speech -- bleh, bleh, bleh.

All things considered, I think it would have been far better to just play Jean's powers for all they were worth. In the early issues, she was VERY powerful, yet somehow limitations got imposed -- many of which ignored what had been already established. For instance, how do we reconcile her not being able to use her TK powers to lift anything greater than she could physically carry with…

Sure, she "feels faint" after this little exploit, but that seems more in the writing than the pictures -- and even if those are particularly skinny ladies she's hoisting about a quarter of a ton there, CONSIDERABLY more than she could carry by hand!

Seems like Jack wanted her to be a lot more powerful than Stan did -- and I would have taken that scene as an indication that she merely needed to PRACTICE. It is a SCHOOL, after all, right?

No need to BOOST her powers, any more than I BOOSTED Sue's powers to show everybody that the Invisible Girl was a major player!

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Michael Todd
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This is a case where I wish the powers that were would have allowed Chris & John to put the "toys" back on the shelf where they found them.  I much prefered Jean as Marvel Girl over Phoenix and it would have been nice had they been able to restore her to that immediately after the Dark Phoenix saga.

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Stephen Robinson
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I am not sure Shooter's interference led to a better story than what
was originally planned. I think Phoenix as a recurring villain would
have been interesting and perhaps would have avoided the event that
the death of Phoenix became.
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Brad Krawchuk
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Also, if they would have decided to make Jean and Phoenix separate entities later on anyway, they could have still had both Jean on the team and Phoenix as a villain. 


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