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I don't have a problem with race swapping in this case. Perry was a third tier character at best.

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So Black people get fobbed off with a back bencher -- again.

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I don't know how far back this practice goes, but it goes at least as far back as the 1989 BATMAN, with Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent. Pretty odd.
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I don't know how far back this practice goes, but it goes at least as far back as the 1989 BATMAN, with Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent. Pretty odd.

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Even odder, when the character turned into Tommy Lee Jones just in time for his face to get messed up!

An earlier instance was Bernie Casey as Felix Leiter in NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN.

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"So Black people get fobbed off with a back bencher -- again. "

Nope. A good actor gets a role in a high profile movie and his race doesn't mater, just his skill at his craft -- again.

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So Black people get fobbed off with a back bencher -- again.

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Nope. A good actor gets a role in a high profile movie and his race doesn't mater, just his skill at his craft -- again.

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Naivety raised to a new level!

I look forward to Sir Anthony Hopkins as the Black Panther.

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Race doesn't matter, the PC police tell us--now darken that white character's skin before we kick your door down.
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I don't have a problem with this, actually.

If being white was an intricate part of who Perry was, or it was proven/stated that Fishburne was hired specifically because he was black and they wanted more diversity in the cast, then I can see people crying foul.

As it stands, Fishburne is a highly accomplished and talented actor, and it's just as likely that he was the best choice out of the candidates that were available. 

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Ed Harris must have been busy.
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Red in the Shawshank Redemption is written white and cast as Morgan Freeman.  At this point I can't even imagine Red being a white guy anymore.  

The Kingpin as a black guy sorta took me out  ( a rather bad movie at that) of the moment. Physical similar and commanding as Michael Clark Duncan was on screen it didn't work for me.  I have the same trouble with Samuel Jackson playing Nick Fury.  It isn't my Nick Fury. 

Billy Dee as Harvey Dent was interesting to me.  Damn shame there was no follow up.  

Smallville had several diverse choices in its casting 

Never saw Catwoman so I can't speak on Halle Berry performance or impact.

Lawrence Fishbourne will deliver an awesome performance but at this point I really have to wonder why Clark is still working in print media.  Give Clark a new job cast Mr Fishbourne as his boss for that role. 




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Nope. A good actor gets a role in a high profile movie and his race doesn't mater, just his skill at his craft -- again.
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Since I already mentioned Robbie Robertson in this thread - cast a white actor in THAT role, and there'd be some serious noise. The phrase "colourblind casting" wouldn't enter into it.
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Never saw Catwoman so I can't speak on Halle Berry performance or impact.

Don't forget Eartha Kitt on the 60's Batman tv show.
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If being white was an intricate part of who Perry was...

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Perry White is a fictional character. His race was not an accident of birth. It was a deliberate decision of the people who first put him in the comics. I can't imagine anything more "intricate" than that.

I drew Northstar and Aurora as White because I wanted them to be White. I drew Shaman as Native Canadian because that was what I wanted him to be. I drew Tony Murcheson as Black for the same reason.

This isn't like a novel, in which the author might chose not to give physical descriptions of his characters. We have SEEN Perry White. We have SEEN Nick Fury. Just as we have SEEN James West.

Called it "colorblind casting", call it "race swapping", what it really is, is blackface. And some day we are going to look back on this and find it every bit as embarrasing.

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Haven΄t heard one piece of good news from this movie yet.
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Perry White is a fictional character. His race was not an accident of birth. It was a deliberate decision of the people who first put him in the comics. I can't imagine anything more "intricate" than that.

Isn't it fair to say though that in 1940, it was highly unlikely you would see a lot (if any) black main or supporting characters in comics?  So while it may have been "deliberate" to make Perry a white man, that deliberation may have been based on a climate at the time that didn't support racial equality? 

And I certainly didn't mean to imply that his race was an "accident".  I just don't think Perry being a white man is as defining for him as say, being a black man is as defining to a character like John Shaft.

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What you say is the reason I said they could have outright replaced Perry White with a character called Jack Black and had Fishburne play him. Why is that so hard to understand? Why the need for a Perry White who ISN'T Perry White?!?
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What you say is the reason I said they could have outright replaced Perry White with a character called Jack Black and had Fishburne play him. Why is that so hard to understand? Why the need for a Perry White who ISN'T Perry White?!?

So because Fishburne is black, that means he can't play a white FICTIONAL character? 

Amy Adams is about 10 years older than Lois should be.  Does that mean she shouldn't play Lois?  Henry Cavill is British - should he be banned from playing Superman? 

If we're going to argue race, may as well argue age, sex, eye color, hair color, nationality, etc. 

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So because Fishburne is black, that means he can't play a white FICTIONAL character?

Amy Adams is about 10 years older than Lois should be. Does that mean she shouldn't play Lois? Henry Cavill is British - should he be banned from playing Superman?

If we're going to argue race, may as well argue age, sex, eye color, hair color, nationality, etc.

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You really can't tell the difference?

No, forget I asked.   Of course you can.

Mmmm! This thread has been good for some housecleaning in the Forum!

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So because Fishburne is black, that means he can't play a white FICTIONAL character?

Uh....yeah! That's exactly what it means.  I guess you would support a woman playing the part of the Sub-Mariner because he's fictional too right?

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 JB wrote:
Even odder, when the character turned into Tommy Lee Jones just in time for his face to get messed up!

Kind of an interesting story behind that.
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Perry White was first created for the Superman radio
serial, and he was never stated to be white in the
serials. How do we know the creators or Perry White
didn't intend for him to be a black man, and when Perry
White was brought into the strips and books he was
incorrectly portrayed as a white man?

Because a black man could never have held the position of
editor in chief of a major newspaper in the 1940's, thats
why.

But Perry White of the 21st century could be of any race.
Or a woman. And nothing has to change other than the
window dressing.

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 BSB wrote:
But Perry White of the 21st century could be of any race. 
Or a woman. And nothing has to change other than the 
window dressing.

This specious reasoning could be applied to any number of characters, whether or not they first appeared in radio serials.
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I think the argument is that Perry White specifically is not visually iconic.
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"I just don't think Perry being a white man is as defining for him as say, being a black man is as defining to a character like John Shaft."

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Given the arguments being made for a Black Perry White in this thread, why couldn't we have a White John Shaft?  Don't the same points apply?

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This specious reasoning could be applied to any number of
characters, whether or not they first appeared in radio serials.

I agree, and I have no problem with that. If race is not essential to the
character or his or her origins then it should not be essential when
translating the character to another medium. Black Panther has to be
black (african at least) as it is essential to his character that he be king
of an African nation. Luke Cage however could be any race now. All
that is essential to him is that he be a common criminal framed for
murder, sent to prison, given powers in an experiment, and escapes to
be a hero for hire. He could be an Asian from chinatown for instance.

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Like JB said, we've seen Perry White and he is not a black man. If they wanted to have a black man as EiC, why not simply create a new character instead of changing one that already exists?
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