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John Byrne
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…the part with the JLA at Monster Island…•• Monster Island being so closely associated with the Avengers, of course. . . See what I mean?
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Lars Johansson
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There were sadly many things I didn't like. The weird noses I didn't like and the story was not so innteresting and weird phenomenon never seen before, a wall separating the Marvel and DC universe.
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Garry Porter II
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There were quite a few things that I disagreed with concerning the JLA/Avengers crossover.
But one of the things that I had a problem with were the "cosmic" parts. I love cosmic stuff and cosmic characters so I paid close attention.
It is believed that Kurt Busiek has an affinity for Krona. So do I.
I just did not agree with the portrayals of Krona and Galactus.
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John Webster
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I've read discussions and interviews with Busiek, and I can't understand how JB has this "bad" reputation with fans but Kurt doesn't. He admits to googling himself and arguing with fans across the net, while JB stays here and does his own thing, yet JB is the bad guy?
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Larry Gil
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I stand corrected...rush was not the best choice of words..
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John Byrne
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I've read discussions and interviews with Busiek, and I can't understand how JB has this "bad" reputation with fans but Kurt doesn't. He admits to googling himself and arguing with fans across the net, while JB stays here and does his own thing, yet JB is the bad guy?•• Busiek is one of those fans-turned-pro who continues to present himself, in person and thru his work, as "one of us" for the fans. I, on the other hand, constantly emphasize that the fan-think is the first thing that should go out the window when one turns pro. Fans, in many cases, don't like to hear that. Again, Len Wein: "The first story you would do as a fan should be the last story you'd do as a pro."
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Pierre Villeneuve
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I LOVED the JLA/Avengers comics. Somehow it felt more like a DC book at the time then a Marvel book. Marvel were in their Nu Marvel mode full steam by then. The only thing they had which was close to resemble/have a simlilar old school flavor at the time of the JLA/Avengers comic by then was the Thunderbolts by Nicieza/Grummet if I recall correctly. JLA/Avengers was a FUN comic.... and I for one am glad it was made. It is a comic that ANY Busiek/Perez/Avengers/JLA/Marvel/DC fan SHOULD own. Heck I would have been tempted to say any "comic fan".... but too many comic fans are embarassed by/loathe super-hero comics.... so I won't say it. But it was a FUN comic with some GREAT Perez artwork. That alone was worth the price of admission. My ONE and ONLY regret.... is not owning the Oversize Absolute edition. :( Now if you will excuse me.... I will be busy crying in the corner for a while. :(
Edited by Pierre Villeneuve on 22 October 2011 at 12:34pm
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Vinny Valenti
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Bear in mind that the second Perez image above was NOT for the
JLA/Avengers that published this decade, it was a recreation of the aborted
1983 crossover cover, meaning not meant for publication. Also, it appears
to me that the recreation was drawn at a smaller dimension than the
original. I wouldn't be looking at the quality of the second work too harshly.
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Kip Lewis
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Marvel were in their Nu Marvel mode full steam by then. The only
thing they had which was close to resemble/have a simlilar old school
flavor at the time of the JLA/Avengers comic by then was the
Thunderbolts by Nicieza/Grummet if I recall correctly.
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In one thing I read, Kurt said he wrote this series as a farewell for fans
because NuMarvel was changing the way comics were being written.
As far as it feeling more like a DC book; some fans accused him of
writting this to get his job at DC as he was leaving Marvel.Likewise, I
love this story. Perfect, no. But i reread it at least once a year.
Edited by Kip Lewis on 22 October 2011 at 12:58pm
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Dan James
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My copy of the absolute oversized edition just arrived in the mail today, coincidentally. (I bought it on eBay). I probably like it for all the reasons people have for not liking the current state of the comic book industry. Maybe it is held in such high regard when compared to the completely substandard Marvel vs DC miniseries that took fanboy-ism to a new level by letting readers vote on the outcome. Popularity contests let Storm beat Wonder Woman, for instance. Catering to the fans to the 10th degree, and DC/Marvel didn't have the courtesy to put top tier creators on the project either. It seemed like they were hardly trying.
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Vinny Valenti
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There were little touches that I liked, such as Jarvis serving Batman at
Avengers Mansion. But a few I didn't, such as explaining away Marvel's lack
of Metropolis and Gotham City as their Earth being smaler than DC's.
I see JB's point re: Monster Island's inclusion. But let's face it, this crossover
quickly morphed into Marvel Vs DC II.
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Steven Myers
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I loved the series. It isn't the way most crossovers should be written (dimension-hopping), but it worked great for that one story.
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