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Tony Midyett
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When Liefeld lifted page after page of Perez' Titans for his X-Force comic---wow!  That's the worst case of swiping I've ever seen in a comic.  It simply comes across as godawfully lazy.
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Didn't Liefeld actually swipe an entire double-page, multi-panel spread from a Perez book? If anything would ever cross the line into actionable ...
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He did. I recall he swiped a lot of Miller's RONIN, as well.

McFarlane swiped a bit of JB Hulk stuff during his own run on the title.

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He swiped more than the double page spread if IRC, I think he swiped the build up as well.

For me, the difference between a swipe and a homage is this - context. Look at the two posts upthread. There's an inherant reason for the vision piece to look like the earlier piece. Why should Sunfire look like the Human Torch.

David Mack pretty much swiped every pose in an Avengers issue from Adam Hughes.

As JB mentions, the worst are where no effort is made to integrate internal consistancy between what has gone before and the swiped panel. I like continuity of figure, face and costume in my comics. More and more I'm seeing a complete lack of these, depending on what pose the porn model has posed in the reference photo (GL I'm lookng at you!)

And before it is bought up - clearly the JB FF No.1 recreations are not swipes.

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Posted: 05 November 2011 at 9:59am | IP Logged | 5  

To me, the hard and fast rules for differentiating a homage from a swipe are that:
  1. The homage is a copy. That is, the general pose(s) and theme are imitated to give a certain effect.
  2. The copier has credited the original artist; he wants the reader to know his work inspired by an earlier work.
Example: the Big John AVENGERS and the JB WCA covers Nathan posted. Same general pose. Figures beneath are in same general positions. But nothing is traced.

Here's, imo, a swipe:


Not the same general pose, the exact same pose, as evidenced by this overlay:



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Another example of homage:








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Posted: 05 November 2011 at 10:23am | IP Logged | 7  

Don't forget. . .

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Kip Lewis
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Is everything we think is a swipe a swipe? When someone does it
repeatedly, sure, but when characters have similar costumes or
powers, is it a swipe or two artists coming up with similar images,
especially after some characters have shown up in hundreds of
thousands of panels through the years?
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Paulo Pereira
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True. I put that cover at first but then realized that I posted a "rule" about there being a credit; but I guess the absence of one doesn't necessarily make a work a swipe (which the above cover clearly isn't). 

Still, always nice to see an "after."
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An artist named Scot Eaton had something interesting and honest to say about swiping.
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Why is Sunfire's butt talking in that Liefeld panel? :)
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Don't forget. . .

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And she destroyed the logo, too.

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