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Carmen Bernardo
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It seems to me that these celebrities (Sean Penn and Roger Waters) just like to rub people the wrong way. It's a common action on the parts of the rich and famous. Why they would take sides in a territorial conflict involving the United Kingdom and Argentina is beyond my comprehension. My hope is that this is just sabre-rattling on the part of the Argentine government (or factions therein). It's their version of the "ugly American" coming to the fore.
Edited by Carmen Bernardo on 01 March 2012 at 7:53am
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Brett Wilson
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I'd say Argentina has more of a claim to the Islas Malvinas than the UK does. The Islands are 200 miles or so off the coast of Argentina, they could claim them as a natural extension of their territory. Imagine if Argentina or another country on another continent claimed the Isle of Man as their territory.
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Dan Avenell
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How far away is Hawaii from the coast of the US?
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Bill Collins
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How far is Alaska from the U.S.? Didn`t Texas belong to Mexico?
Edited by Bill Collins on 01 March 2012 at 11:57am
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Stuart Vandal
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"Imagine if Argentina or another country on another continent claimed the Isle of Man as their territory."
And if the inhabitants of the Isle of Man said they wanted to be Argentinian, then Argentina would have every right to make that claim.
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Brett Wilson
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Alaska was actually purchased from Russia and Hawaii was taken over via coup, Texas was taken over after a war. Many native Hawaiians resent being part of the US (native Hawaiians on the U of Hawaii football team won't stand for the US national anthem before games) I'm not saying it's a great argument, but people in Argentina view the Islands as a British colonial possession that they refuse to give up, as do most people in South America where I live. Just trying to give another viewpoint in this debate. I honestly wonder why anyone wants the Islands, there isn't much there aside from grazing goats.
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Bill Collins
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Offshore oil and fishing rights?
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Brett Wilson
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And if the inhabitants of the Isle of Man said they wanted to be Argentinian, then Argentina would have every right to make that claim.
Yeah but the British government would not have tolerated that, they didn't allow an independent Irish republic until after years of violent struggle.
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Simon Bowland
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The point is, the Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory - Argentina has no claim on them, any more than France has a claim on the British Isles. Argentina has only started this most recent "dispute" because there's now a suspicion of some generously-sized oil fields off the coast of the Falklands. They want to get their hands on that oil.
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Stuart Vandal
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The only claim Argentina has to it ties to past Spanish colonialism. If they really want to see colonialism end, then they need to respect the right of self-determination. Arguing that doesn't count because the Islanders are not "native" is a crock - after all, by that same definition of native, most Argentinians are not native to their country. The logic seems to be that you are only entitled to decide your own nationality if your ancestors who settled in a given region found some natives already living there, subjugated them, killed many of them and stole their land.
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Dan Avenell
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So Brett, what claim does the US have over Hawaii? The answer is that its over 2000 miles from mainland US btw, not 250 as the Falklands are from Argentina.
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Stuart Vandal
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"Yeah but the British government would not have tolerated that, they didn't allow an independent Irish republic until after years of violent struggle."
Back in the first few decades of the last century, perhaps. I won't argue Britain still had a colonial mindset then - something to do with having an empire at the time. But things have moved on a lot since then. At the moment Scotland is working towards a vote on independence, and while the UK government might be arguing with the Scottish parliament over the specific details of how the vote gets carried out, there's no question of them disallowing a vote, or of trying to use force to stop Scotland if the vote ends up in favour of independence.
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