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Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member

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The latest issue of Playboy has an interview with Grant Morrison and gives him the title of "The Most Important Comic Book Writer Working Today".
Here's a couple of Morrison's quotes from the article...
On Batman:
"I got interested in the class element of Batman: He's a rich man who beats up poor people. It's quite a bizarre mission to go out at night dressed as a bat and punch the hell out of junkies. And then he goes home and lives in a mansion. There's an aspirational quality to him -- he's an outlaw and he can buy anything. He has a new Batmobile every movie. He's very plutonian in the sense that he's wealthy and also in the sense that he's sexually deviant. Gayness is built into Batman. I'm not using gay in the pejorative sense, but Batman is very, very gay. There's just no denying it. Obviously as a fictional character he's intended to be heterosexual, but the basis of the whole concept is utterly gay. I think that's why people like it. All these woman fancy him and they all wear fetich clothes and jump around rooftops to get him. He doesn't care -- he's more interested in hanging with the old guy and the kid."
On Magneto:
"Magneto's an old terrorist bastard. I got into trouble - The X-Men fans hated me because I made him into a stupid old drug-addicted idiot. He had started out as this sneering, grim terrorist character, so I thought, Well that's who he really is. [Writer] Chris Claremont had sone a lot of good work over the years to redeem the character: He made him a survivor of the death camps and this noble antihero. And I went in and shat on all of it. It was right after 9/11, and I said there's nothing fucking noble about this at all."
Did anyone else on the JBF read it?
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Jason Mark Hickok Byrne Robotics Member

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I would hate to see what the "least important writer" thinks of these characters!
Seriously though I believe Morrison is an insanely dangerous man when he is with pen. None of it is any good.
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Joe Hollon Byrne Robotics Member

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I started typing out my response here and suddenly heard Thumper from BAMBI telling me, "If ya ain't got nuthin' nice ta say, don't say nuthin' at all." So here's me saying nothing at all.
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Eric Smearman Byrne Robotics Member

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I read this last week. Disagree with some of it, particularly the "gay" Batman stuff. I dropped his X-MEN three issues in so I have no real opinion re: the Magneto thing.
I like a lot of Morrison's stuff. His ANIMAL MAN and DOOM PATROL are favorites. Loved his JLA and ALL-STAR SUPERMAN. FINAL CRISIS was a miss. I'm currently enjoying his ACTION COMICS.
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Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member

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On Wonder Woman:
"William Moulton Marston, the guy who created Wonder Woman, was a noted psychiatrist. He's the guy who invented the polygraph, the lie detector. He was one of those bohemian free-love guys; he and his wife, Elizabeth, shared a lover, Olive, who was the physical model for Wonder Woman. What he and Elizabeth did was to consider an Amazonian society of women who had been cut off from men for 3,000 years. That developed along the lines of Marston's most fevered fantasies into a lesbian utopia. Although they're supposedly a peace-loving culture, all these supergirls' pursuits seem to revolve around fighting one another, and this mad, ritualistic stuff where girls dress as stags and get chased and tied up and eaten symbolically on a banquet table. The whole thing was lush with bondage and slavery. Wonder Woman was constantly being tied up or shackled -- and it was hugely successful. When Marston died in 1947, hey got rid of the perky elements, and instantly sales plummeted. Wonder Woman should be the most sexually attractive, intelligent, potent woman you can imagine. Instead she became this weird cross between the Virgin Mary and Mary Tyler Moore that didn't even appeal to girls."
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Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member

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In the article, Playboy reports this tidbit about Morrison...
"When his magnum opus, The Invisibles -- a series about voodoo, time travel and the Marquis de Sade -- was in danger of being canceled, he mobilized his fans in an unusual way: He exhorted them to participate in a worldwide magic spell by masturbating on Thanksgiving Day."
Yikes.
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Neil Brauer Byrne Robotics Member

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Magneto may have been a terrorist, but he was never stupid. He also isn't old, as I'm sure everyone on this forum knows. I haven't read any of this guy's stories and I'm damn sure not going to now. He not only "shat" on Claremont's work, but JB's,Smith, Cockrum, Stan, Jack's and on and on. This guy has no regard at all for other creators or the fans. Talk about over simplification of characters--"Well, Batman does this, so it has to mean that." "Magneto has done this so he deserves to be that." So let it be written, so let it be done, huh, Grant? Does he get a little shiver up his leg when he goes out of his way to shat on 40+ years of character development that other writers have at least tried to make cohesive? He knows what these characters are really about. The fans are so stupid they will read what he writes... and like it. You know why? Because he knows better than everyone else. Stan Lee-HACK! Chris Claremont-DIPSHIT! Roy Thomas-MORON! "I say old chap, I'm going to make this Bat-Lad a poof if it hair lips the Queen."--in my best proper English accent This is why comic book sales are 1/10 of what they were 30 years ago, and this is why I'm a collector not a reader.
Edited by Neil Brauer on 06 May 2012 at 10:05pm
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Darren De Vouge Byrne Robotics Member

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If Morrison is the "most important comic book writer working today"; that doesn't say much for the state of the industry, does it?
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Darren De Vouge Byrne Robotics Member

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"but Batman is very, very gay...he's more interested in hanging with the old guy and the kid."
I've suddenly come to the conclusion that Morrison should not be anywhere near a Batman comic.
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member

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Well, I agree with this part: "He had started out as this sneering, grim terrorist character, so I thought, Well that's who he really is. "
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member

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Sounds like someone who's embarrassed to be in the biz. That pose never gets old. Morrison's able to say all this crap as if he invented it-- that's the best part of his con. You can fool some of the people all of the time.
There's no doubt Morrison is the most important writer of any kind to be born on this round earth-- in his own mind. Classless, self-important, and forever tortured that he didn't write Watchmen. Poor guy.
His recent book declares on the cover that it explores and explains what makes Superheroes so important. But between the covers is just a bad memoir-- an overview of comics history used to set up the arrival and adventures of Grant Morrison. "And boy is Arkham Asylum important! It has sold so so so many copies! Important! Yep, that's Me!!" It was an aggravating book, but it sounds like he's become more insufferable.
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Brian Peck Byrne Robotics Member

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When Morrison started on X-Men I stopped. He completely butchered the X- Men. He is one of the reasons comics are going down the tubes. nuff' said
Edited by Brian Peck on 06 May 2012 at 11:26pm
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Jonathan Watkins Byrne Robotics Member

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An adult who writes bloody 'R' rated stories in a medium for kids and then sneers at it when approached by the mainstream for an interview. Classy guy.
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Wayne K Purdy Byrne Robotics Member

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I recently read his book, Supergods, expecting it to be an insightful and entertaining look into the comic book industry and and its effect on society. Sadly it wasn't that at all. Very disappointing. If you want to read about how great Grant Morrisson is and how he almost single-handedly revitalised the super hero genre, I recommend it.
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member

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For myself, I would not call Morrison "important", but I would call him "significant", in that I owe him thanks for helping me break my 20-year habit of buying X-Men books sight-unseen.
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If Morrison is the "most important comic book writer working today"; that doesn't say much for the state of the industry, does it?•• Being the "most important comicbook writer" is like being the world's tallest midget. There's nothing particularly "important" about comics. They are escapist entertainment. Sometimes they can achieve high goals, but for the most part, when comics start thinking of themselves as "important", they tend to find themselves --- well, where we are right now, as a matter of fact.
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Stuart Vandal Byrne Robotics Member

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Neil Brauer said ""I say old chap, I'm going to make this Bat-Lad a poof if it hair lips the Queen."--in my best proper English accent"
Not going to contest anything else you've said, but this I will - apart from it being a terribly out of date stereotype of the English, Grant Morrison wouldn't be saying anything in an English accent.
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Michael Hogan Byrne Robotics Member

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If this is an exmple of the prose in PLAYBOY, I'm glad that I only read it for the pictures! :)
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Agapito Qhelas Byrne Robotics Member

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Well, I certainly think Morrison is the most brilliant comic book writer working today.
But most important? I honestly doubt it. Mark Millar is getting a lot of his comics optioned for films, and Brian Bendis and Geoff Johns both have an amazing amount of power and influence I'm their respective companies, and even crossing over to their animation and live action films departments.
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Eric Ladd Byrne Robotics Member

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The world's prettiest Waffle House waitress?
I think of comics as a popularity contest. Knowing the most fan favorite writer or artist is far more valuable than knowing who is considered the most "important". What is the importance of this writer over another? Does the article explain that? I ask because I doubt I buy this issue for the article.
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Peter Hicks Byrne Robotics Member

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The Playboy "interview" is just excerpts from Morrison's book Supergods, which is amazing. Grant comes at things from a very radical viewpoint and sometimes it really works (WE3, All Star Superman, Batman and Robin) and sometimes it's an incomprehensible mess (Final Crisis, Flex Mentallo). I find his run on X-Men to be both good and bad, depending on which arc we are discussing. Most important comic writer today? Probably is, given that Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman are MIA. Mark Millar doesn't do much for me. Jonathan Hickman's run on FF has been breath taking, but few readers seemed to have noticed. Pick up his TPBs if you think JB was the last writer who understood the FF characters.
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Aaron Smith Byrne Robotics Member

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JB said pretty much what I was about to say. Yes, comics are escapist entertainment and when anyone, Morrison included, feels compelled to put on a big show of analyzing characters that have been sucesful for decades, he comes across as pompous and arrogant. What he (or any comics writer) should be doing when thinking about any long-running character and how to write that character, is looking for the essence of what made that character appealing enough to last that long, and then following that recipe to allow the character to continue to appeal to its audience. I haven't read that entire article and I don't intend to, but just from the excerpts Nathan posted, I find Morrison's attitude to be incredibly insulting to fans of the characters he thinks he's cleverly analyzing. That's why people like Batman? And here, all these years, I thought I liked him because he had a great origin and motive for fighting crime, one of the best costumes ever, a wonderful rogues gallery, the best headquarters in comics, an interesting personality, good supporting cast, and has been portrayed by an amazing assortment of artists and writers over the last 70 years. Those are my reasons for considering Batman one of my favorite characters. It has nothing to do with the concept being "utterly gay."
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Aaron Smith Byrne Robotics Member

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Most important writers in comics today? My vote goes to those writers who are quietly doing the work that comics writers should do: writing quality stories, treating characters (and readers) with respect, and keeping good storytelling alive while most of the industry is a mess. As long as there are a few titles out there worth reading, comics won't be entirely dead, despite the best (worst) efforts of the majority of the industry. I wish there were more of them. I don't have to name them; the members of this forum know who they are. Morrison might be the loudest writer in comics, but he's not as important as some people think.
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James Revilla Byrne Robotics Member

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Grant comes at things from a very radical viewpoint and sometimes it really works (WE3, All Star Superman, Batman and Robin)
Batman and Robin really worked? Really? I am the God damned Batman worked? I thought it was easily one of the worst comic book series I've ever seen. Jim Lee's art couldn't even save that train wreck in my opinion.
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Troy Nunis Byrne Robotics Member

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James: Batman and Robin was the in continuity Dick as Batman, Damion as Robin book - you're thinking Frank Miller's All Star Batman
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